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That's probably true.
Comey is one strange dude.
But it's all history now. It happened. I really don't think the Rooskies had anything to do with it. They DID try to get into the political system, and probably succeeded a little. But it didn't effect anything.
They succeed in doing what? The US has meddled in Russian affairs probably a hundred times for every Russian that ever tried. With what resources can Russia do this? They have no money. They have no world wide prestige. They have less than half our population. They have few allies . What can they do? What are they doing? They can shoot back. That's about it.
I took a semester of Russian in the 60s, anticipating the events of 2016. And I’ve seen Dr. Zhivago several times. So, as an expert, clearly it is Putin’s fault that the Democrats picked the worst candidate of all time.
That is not the bar. The bar is did russian meddle in the election and if so did any americans assist them. Whether that flipped the election is immaterial. If someone tries to rob a bank and is caught in the act they didn't actually rob the bank but are still guilty of the attempt.
It is such a diversion to claim it only matters if you can prove that votes were changed.
The investigators seem to be uncovering more of a DNC takeover than a Republican takeover, but that's still up in the air.
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Based on WHAT?
Based on the fact that the DNC is suing Russia for hacking into its network. You didn't know that?
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According to the DNC lawsuit, Russian intelligence group Cozy Bear—the GRU-affiliated hacker group, also known as APT29—infiltrated the DNC network as far back as July 27, 2015, nearly a year before the leaks of the pilfered material ........
Of course the whole lawsuit says "Trump made 'em do it", and that sort of contradicts the Dem conversation that "Putin controls Trump", but we do live in a world of suits and counter-suits. Fact is, The Rooskies found a way into the DNC.
They succeed in doing what? The US has meddled in Russian affairs probably a hundred times for every Russian that ever tried. With what resources can Russia do this? They have no money. They have no world wide prestige. They have less than half our population. They have few allies . What can they do? What are they doing? They can shoot back. That's about it.
Russia has done a nice job of going after conservatives. The have gone into the NRA and given large sums to their campaign wing.
A Russian became a lifetime member of the NRA (even though there are strict gun laws in Russia). He has given millions to the NRA and they in turn have given that out to GOP PAC'S and GOP candidates campaigns.
Mueller is following the money and it looks like the GOP melt down in the House may be related.
The way Jordan and some of the others went after Rosenstein you would think they are hiding something.
Goudy claiming that the investigation is taking too long has forgotten his Bengasi nonsense. He went what 3 years and found nothing.
Mueller in a little over a year has 5 guilty pleas and 20 indictments and a whole punch of GOP members scared.
Clinton outspent Trump 3 to 2. And she won the popular vote. And she likely lost due to the actions of the Obama administration - Comey who should have been fired in July.
Clinton lost because distrust was sown within the Democratic Party when the DNC was shown to have given EXTREME deference to Hillary over Sanders and the Prog wing of the party were outraged... Enough of the Progressives voted 3rd Party or stayed home to swing the election to Trump.
Now, did Russia have anything to do with all that? Mmmmm, yes and no. We know they hacked the DNC and made sure America knew that they DNC were actively working to subvert Bernie Sanders. Is it a BAD thing we know the truth there?
Don't get me wrong though, I don't believe for a moment that this was the ONLY involvement Russia had in all this. WAY too many Trump Campaign peeps cozying up to Russian officials for me to be comfortable with it...
Well, that's what I'm saying!
No reason to take over a political party. It's a lot easier to take over the media; no one will complain, it's hardly illegal at all, and as we are seeing the results can be lots of fun to watch
It's the WaPo Rooskies against Trump's Tweets. Right now, Trump is winning, but we have another 6 innings (years) and as Yogi said, "It ain't over till it's over". Or was that Casey Stengel?
You have a point, but ya got it upside down.
Ain't the MSM that's praising Putin and tellin' you boys that Russia's a-ok. 'Sides, no collusion. No obstruction.
Democrats scream that Putin is actually pulling Trump's strings.
The investigators seem to be uncovering more of a DNC takeover than a Republican takeover, but that's still up in the air.
It's all wrong.
If they want to take over the US, just take over the media! Of course, that would mean indoctrinating the school children before they go to college, which would mean taking over the Education Department (?)
Hey!....... You don't suppose.. I mean, Berkeley and all those liberal colleges.....
how could a third rate country like russia possibly take over the most powerful nation on earth ?, i cannot believe how much time has been wasted on this russia business
you would almost suspect that trump himself views it as a tremendous diversion
the soviet union was always weaker than the usa and russia is not anywhere near as powerful as the soviet union was
putin might dominate his own country and come across as a towering global figure but in truth what can he do bar attack democracy and human rights in his own country
They succeed in doing what? The US has meddled in Russian affairs probably a hundred times for every Russian that ever tried. With what resources can Russia do this? They have no money. They have no world wide prestige. They have less than half our population. They have few allies . What can they do? What are they doing? They can shoot back. That's about it.
exactly
russia was treated with contempt in the nineties , imagine if during the cold war , mexico or canada was inducted into the warsaw pact , several of russias neighbours were quickly invited and encouraged to join NATO while russia was trying to deal with the mass looting of its treasure by western backed parties
pat buchanan has wrote extensively about this , russia is small fry compared to the usa but its still a great power and realpolitik demands it be treated with respect or else you invite trouble
all this is seperate from the farcical notion that trump is a manchurian canditate of some kind
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