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Old 07-01-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Roe vs. Wade will stand, perhaps with eventual small changes to allow states more discretion. I believe the law allowing states to limit abortion to the first trimester is fair and settled.

I would like to see this more settled, hopefully seeing the left stop celebrating such a monstrous thing.
That’s not really what the law is it’s to “viability.”

SCOTUS specifically refused to give a bright line

 
Old 07-01-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Harley-Davidson employees and anyone else laid off due to Trump's ill-advised tariffs aren't and won't be happy with Trump.

Harley-Davidson hasn't gone anywhere yet & if they do it will just be the manufacturing of European sold Harleys. I think it'd be suicide for them to do so. Without knowing the exact demographics, I think it's a safe bet Harley buyers are "Made in USA" Trump supporters. Might be a good time to buy stock in Indian motorcycles?
 
Old 07-01-2018, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Another interesting thing is WHICH party was in control during these major events;

1928 Hoover R (Great depression starts 1929)

1968 Nixon R (Vietnam, Bay of Tonkin scandal)
1972 Nixon R ("resigned")

2000 Bush 2 R (9/11/01 terror attacks)
2004 Bush 2 R (Housing market collapse/Detroit automakers going bankrupt, major recession)
I'm not sure what this has to do with Roe v Wade, but even as a liberal, I think it's cherry-picking.

How about
1950 Truman D sends troops to Korea
1961 Kennedy D Bay of Pigs invasion
1962 Kennedy D Cuban Missile Crisis
1964 Johnson D lies about Gulf of Tonkin incident. Oh, I just saw that you are blaming the Gulf of Tonkin on Nixon. Nope, see: https://www.history.com/news/the-gul...t-50-years-ago
 
Old 07-01-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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Not all states are on that list, so it's hard to make any kind of comparison.
Not all states have made a determination. It appears that's something Colorado has not yet done.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...cy-absence-roe

Looks like about ten states will make abortion illegal the minute Roe V. Wade is overturned and about eight states that have already made abortion legal regardless of Roe V. Wade. Both sides are pretty much what one would expect.
 
Old 07-01-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Not all states have made a determination. It appears that's something Colorado has not yet done.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...cy-absence-roe

Looks like about ten states will make abortion illegal the minute Roe V. Wade is overturned and about eight states that have already made abortion legal regardless of Roe V. Wade. Both sides are pretty much what one would expect.
Colorado was the first state to legalize abortion, in 1967.
https://denverite.com/2017/02/10/50-...abortion-laws/
 
Old 07-01-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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If the govt offered them a one-time, tax-free payment of $10k to have their tubes tied, we'd be in much better shape.
That is no guarantee, My youngest son was born 11 years after my wife had her tubes tied.
 
Old 07-01-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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I was talking to a friend about this the other day. Biden is Trump-lite. He's an uncouth, creepy, aggressive, old White man. Is that what the Democratic party intends to get behind in 2020?

In 2016 he might have beaten Trump by retaining the blue collar Democrats & siphoning off some of the GOP blue collar votes.

That ship has sailed though. Today things are going great for those blue collar voters under Trump, and barring a major change, there's no chance even the blue collar Democrats will be swinging back Democrat for Biden, a lighter version of Trump personality-wise, who offers nothing policy-wise that Trump isn't already offering & delivering.
I v decided that no vote should be cast for anyone over the age of.......35, 37 1/2 max. Ok maybe 40. For President.

Refresh the House and Senate over the course of their "up for reelection" and no vote for any new comer over 45.

Young uns aren't interested in $$$$. They want upgrades convenience and cleanliness as we need to blast into the 21st century to hold the attention of future leader.
 
Old 07-01-2018, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I'm anti-government-deciding-personhood.
 
Old 07-01-2018, 09:49 PM
 
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The right wing is salivating over the possibility that a new Supreme Court might overturn Roe v. Wade. If that happens, it won't reduce the number of abortions, only who does them: a doctor or a friend with a coathanger.

Roe vs Wade is a bad law......judges at the supreme court pulled that one out of their behinds in the 70's. Nowhere in the federal constitution that gives a right to an abortion and that the feds dictate to all 50 states.

I don't know if the number of abortions will come down. Today anything is acceptable but it will take out the federal government and federal funds out of it. The feds have no business in this.

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Old 07-01-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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I was talking to a friend about this the other day. Biden is Trump-lite. He's an uncouth, creepy, aggressive, old White man. Is that what the Democratic party intends to get behind in 2020?

In 2016 he might have beaten Trump by retaining the blue collar Democrats & siphoning off some of the GOP blue collar votes.

That ship has sailed though. Today things are going great for those blue collar voters under Trump, and barring a major change, there's no chance even the blue collar Democrats will be swinging back Democrat for Biden, a lighter version of Trump personality-wise, who offers nothing policy-wise that Trump isn't already offering & delivering.

Deplorables have done well under Trump, and DNC has made no amends with them.

No deplorables major shift to DNC - no DNC path to 270.


DNC should be kissing their cheeks by now, as they have much apologizing to do, unless they like being shut out of control.
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