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View Poll Results: Do You Believe That Women Gaining The Right To Vote Brought Us Today's Welfare State?
Yes 23 20.91%
No 87 79.09%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-30-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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As for the "women wanting handouts" stuff the OP said... if you don't believe that that's true, then why is something that you deem "not true", insulting to you?
Not all women.

Women vote for big government, social policies, and the welfare programs.

Women voting patterns are responsible for a lot of welfare programs, and excessive government social spending. Politicians pass these bills to gain the votes of women and appease.
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Old 06-30-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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Welcome to 2018 where the truth is the new hate speech.
Yup, truth ,data, and facts get you called a "sexist" now a days....
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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OMG. I just can't cope with the mentality on this earth anymore.
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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What's your point? What are you trying to convey? There is a reason this question was asked. Some people believe that women are the problem. And if many feel that women are the problem, then I could gather that there will be those who will say "women should have their right to vote taken away".
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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What's your point?I could gather that there will be those who will say "women should have their right to vote taken away".
Where did anywhere in this post did I or anyone else say that women should have their vote taken away? Im here just stating the data that shows that women gaining voting privileges contributed to todays welfare state. Even in Switzerland , the same data proved to be correct.

In this paper we test the hypothesis that extensions of the voting franchise to include lower income people lead to growth in government, especially growth in redistribution expenditures. The empirical analysis takes advantage of the natural experiment provided by Switzerland's extension of the franchise to women in 1971. Women's suffrage represents an institutional change with potentially significant implications for the positioning of the decisive voter. For various reasons, the decisive voter is more likely to favor increases in governmental social welfare spending following the enfranchisement of women. Evidence indicates that this extension of voting rights increased Swiss social welfare spending by 28 percent and increased the overall size of the Swiss government.


https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Welfare_State
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Consistent with standard models of electoral competition (Duverger 1954; Downs 1957; Shepsle 1991), politicians responded immediately to shifts in electoral preferences as voting rights were extended to women.3 Within a year of suffrage law enactment, patterns of legislative roll call voting shifted, and local public health spending rose by roughly 35%. These findings are consistent with historical accounts: describing the Sheppard-Towner Act of 1921 (a landmark federal public health appropriation immediately following the 19th Amendment in 1920), Richard Meckel (1990) observes that “fear of being punished at the polls by American women, not conviction of the bill’s necessity, seems to have motivated Congress to vote for it.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3046394/


What do we need news for? Theres data that suggest RIGHT AFTER WOMEN gained the right to vote, public spending went up 35% !!!!

Right after women gained the right to vote "the Sheppard-Towner Act of 1921 " was passed - Promotion of the Welfare and Hygiene of Maternity and Infancy Act


The data clearly shows that women played a active role in the last 100 years creating the welfare state and politicians give it to them for votes in return. The data shows it. Just because some "women" on here are offended, dont use welfare, or dont believe that women are a major cause, doesn't make it not true.

Not total public spending...public HEALTH spending. And it had great benefit for the population at large.
"This growth in public health spending fueled large-scale door-to-door hygiene campaigns, and child mortality declined by 8-15% (or 20,000 annual child deaths nationwide) as cause-specific reductions occurred exclusively among infectious childhood killers sensitive to hygienic conditions."

We take it for granted now (not that we all do it, but I digress) but it took hundreds of years for people to study and research bacteria/diseases/sanitation/etc. and figure out that simple things like handwashing and hygiene could do so much to reduce disease and death.

That article is talking about how the women were able to use their voting power to help educate the populace and it resulted in up to 15% more children living because of it. Hallelujah. You should be happy about something like this.

"Taken together, this evidence suggests that the extension of suffrage rights to women may have itself been responsible for substantial improvements in child survival."
This is one snapshot. It still doesn't prove your whole premise. You would need to have a whole thick book-worth of research and discussion and more.
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Not total public spending...public HEALTH spending. And it had great benefit for the population at large.
"This growth in public health spending fueled large-scale door-to-door hygiene campaigns, and child mortality declined by 8-15% (or 20,000 annual child deaths nationwide) as cause-specific reductions occurred exclusively among infectious childhood killers sensitive to hygienic conditions."

We take it for granted now (not that we all do it, but I digress) but it took hundreds of years for people to study and research bacteria/diseases/sanitation/etc. and figure out that simple things like handwashing and hygiene could do so much to reduce disease and death.

That article is talking about how the women were able to use their voting power to help educate the populace and it resulted in up to 15% more children living because of it. Hallelujah. You should be happy about something like this.

"Taken together, this evidence suggests that the extension of suffrage rights to women may have itself been responsible for substantial improvements in child survival."
This is one snapshot. It still doesn't prove your whole premise. You would need to have a whole thick book-worth of research and discussion and more.
First off , I would like to Thank you for actually debating the topic.


As for women suffrage rights. Of course some voting habits have contributed to certain aspects of improved medicine/sanitation etc, but the increased size of government, and social welfares programs also increase at the same time. A study here indicated that Evidence indicates that this extension of voting rights increased Swiss social welfare spending by 28 percent and increased the overall size of the Swiss government.

Voting habits of groups women can and will continue to increase size of government and welfare spending. This country has become a shell of what it was designed to be, due to the massive size of our government today.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Welfare_State
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:21 AM
 
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people can, even now hols down more one and get an education. My granddaughter was raising a child, had a husband, worked full time as a nurse and managed to get a degree in nursing, a BS btw. She also, after finishing getting her DS she continued working full time, by then had 2 little ones and got her nurse practitioners degree. It can be done. anyone holding down 3 jobs is not working full time at any of them most likely.
What is the collateral damage of living such a stressful, go-go-go lifestyle? Jesus, I'm exhausted just thinking about your granddaughter's schedule between work, school, family, marriage, etc. And nursing is definitely not a skate-by type of degree.

While I admire your GD's drive and ambition, I have to wonder about how all of that affected other areas of her life.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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While the parties have switched in some regards, the Republicans never supported a welfare state.
Yes, many of them did. They were called Dixiecrats though...
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:26 AM
 
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What's your point? What are you trying to convey? There is a reason this question was asked. Some people believe that women are the problem. And if many feel that women are the problem, then I could gather that there will be those who will say "women should have their right to vote taken away".
Oh yes. I can definitely see that happening. If we can blame a particular voting bloc for ruining the country and convince others of this ruinous action, we can then begin to curb the rights of that particular voting bloc. Start by undermining this group's motivations, intelligence, etc which is what OP is trying to do. Pay attention to what is going on in this country. We are definitely regressing.
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