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Old 06-29-2018, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by redwood66 View Post
All I can do is minimize the intrusion of government into my life because I know it is only a pipe dream to think it could ever be any different. People are too lazy and nosy to be any different.
Don't focus on the ends. Focus on the means. This is the biggest mental block for statists as I see it.

It doesn't matter if society at large doesn't embrace the NAP. If you know it's valid in morality and logic (and it is) then simply live it and promote it.

It's funny because in your personal life and within your home you and nearly everyone else is an An-cap. Why? Because your wife, husband, kids, coworkers aren't going to put up with you stealing from them or killing them. Not only that...you know it's wrong.

Apply that to the greater world. Just because State A kills babies for s*its and giggles doesn't mean you have to condone and support it because you can't stop it alone.

 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Don't focus on the ends. Focus on the means. This is the biggest mental block for statists as I see it.

It doesn't matter if society at large doesn't embrace the NAP. If you know it's valid in morality and logic (and it is) then simply live it and promote it.

It's funny because in your personal life and within your home you and nearly everyone else is an An-cap. Why? Because your wife, husband, kids, coworkers aren't going to put up with you stealing from them or killing them. Not only that...you know it's wrong.

Apply that to the greater world. Just because State A kills babies for s*its and giggles doesn't mean you have to condone and support it because you can't stop it alone.
Why morality? I'm sure plenty of people thought interracial marraige was immoral.

Just respect property rights and the rights of the individual.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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That is the mysticism. Only a true believer can follow the logic. Very much the same as transubstantiation.

When we go to our reward and speak to the on high...we will find the truth.

Or the lights go out and we never know.
Transubstantiation is physically veriafiable (and fails). I figured that j-ive out at mass when I was 11.

You're not making much sense here imo.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why morality? I'm sure plenty of people thought interracial marraige was immoral.

Just respect property rights and the rights of the individual.
I'm making an appeal to the moral implications in the logic of self-ownership, the NAP, and private property rights.

Anarchy is basically the Golden Rule. That's all.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:34 PM
 
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Not an argument. You're a conservative, I presume?

Explain to the audience how libertarianism is a fantasy world, oh wise one.
I do believe I explained that originally, though you seem to have missed that part. People will not act ideally, no matter how much we may wish it so. They will not act rationally. The jungle is kept out by a very, very thin wall. Libertarianism is at it's heart, the law of the jungle. It pretends not to be, yet is. Someone will take by force that which he did not earn. The strong will prey on the weak. The weak will band together for mutual protection from the strong. A form of government is established.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I do believe I explained that originally, though you seem to have missed that part. People will not act ideally, no matter how much we may wish it so. They will not act rationally. The jungle is kept out by a very, very thin wall. Libertarianism is at it's heart, the law of the jungle. It pretends not to be, yet is. Someone will take by force that which he did not earn. The strong will prey on the weak. The weak will band together for mutual protection from the strong. A form of government is established.
Libertarianism is the law of civilization itself...don't attack or rob innocent people.

On the bold, you think that goes against libertarianism?
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Transubstantiation is physically veriafiable (and fails). I figured that j-ive out at mass when I was 11.

You're not making much sense here imo.
You apparently did not understand the theology class. Actually may be the same problem you are having with political systems. The theologian carefully explains that the accidents do not change...but the substance does. However by definition only accidents can be measured.

See? the theologians figured out Liberetarianism before you were born.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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Both parties tend to hit and run.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Conservatives are not only lazy, but they're hypocritical. I always make it a point to ask them to name the last GOP President and/or Congress that actually REDUCED spending and shrunk the government. Hasn't happened in over 60 years.
Interesting..i often ask dumb liberals who the last DEMOCRAT president who increased our unfunded liability by $10 trillion dollars..they just sit there drawing flies..
 
Old 06-29-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I do believe I explained that originally, though you seem to have missed that part. People will not act ideally, no matter how much we may wish it so. They will not act rationally. The jungle is kept out by a very, very thin wall. Libertarianism is at it's heart, the law of the jungle. It pretends not to be, yet is. Someone will take by force that which he did not earn. The strong will prey on the weak. The weak will band together for mutual protection from the strong. A form of government is established.
If you didn't commit aggression against another person or their property today, then you lived the life of a libertarian. Now expand that over a lifetime.

The vast majority of people don't commit aggression.
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