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Old 07-15-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Source?



Her statement was that “80% of kids who died from flu this past winter were UN-vaccinated for it.”



Is that the source for your statement? Because that is a study regarding previous years. There is no data from 2017-2018 in that study.
Source: This year, early season- https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...accinated.html
"CDC chief: 85% of children who've died this flu season were unvaccinated"

From several seasons- http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...No+local+token
"Vaccination status was determined for 291 deaths; 75 (26%) received vaccine before illness onset." That means 74% unvaccinated.

Of course there's no data from 2017-18 in any study yet. The CDC just closed out the season July 7. I've seen this data year after year, and it's all very sadly similar.

Here's one from a little later in this past season: https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/n...not-vaccinated
"Of the 63 confirmed child deaths from the flu, investigators have health histories on 56 of them. . . Of the 54 kids who were old enough to get the flu vaccine, only 14 -- or 26% -- had gotten at least one dose, according to a flu update published today in the CDC journal Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report."
So it looks like 2 of the 56 dead were too young to get vaccinated. Some of the "vaccinated" were only partially vaxed.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: FL
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The real problem is that the doctor failed to get a detailed medical history on the the child to receive the exemption and relied on the mother's word. He did not follow proper protocol.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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It is mumps not measles which can cause males past puberty to become sterile. This why my generation's parents wanted their sons to get mumps as young as possible.
That's stupid.

Mumps can cause sterility at ANY age.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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I know over 500 pediatricians. Every single one of them gives these vaccines TO THEIR OWN FREAKING KIDS!

But sure a bunch of internet MDs know more about vaccines than doctors do, and these doctors are purposefully poisoning and killing their own children because they are in cahoots with vaccine manufacturers.
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Old 07-15-2018, 03:15 PM
 
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Your understanding of immunity is flawed. Immunity is not guarantee for life if you were sick from an illness.
Immunology is a complicated field, immunity varies from pathogen to pathogen and even individual to individual. Likewise not all vaccines are universally wonderful, thought anyone who denies the miracle of vaccination is a fool. Like most issues this is a discussion of degree, which people try to boil down to absolutes.

That being said, children who cannot get immunized should not. Others should get immunized. And yes, for the majority of vaccines, I believe children should have them before being allowed in public school.
You say that children should get immunized for the majority of vaccines but if you lived in CA, you would have to get your children vaccinated for ALL vaccines that the government tells you to get, not just the majority because it’s the law. You can only get out of it if you can prove that there was a serious enough reaction in the past. There’s no discussion of degree in CA. It is about absolutes.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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You say that children should get immunized for the majority of vaccines but if you lived in CA, you would have to get your children vaccinated for ALL vaccines that the government tells you to get, not just the majority because it’s the law. You can only get out of it if you can prove that there was a serious enough reaction in the past. There’s no discussion of degree in CA. It is about absolutes.
Here are the required vaccinations for students going into public schools in California.

Shots Required for K-12 | ShotsForSchool.org

Assuming no allergy issues there is nothing on this list that is not appropriate for school aged children to have. Flu is not required, RV, meningococcal etc.

And just for clarity, those others are required to attend a public school. No one is going to your home to inject your child against your will. But public school always has been about the communal good and not the individual want. If you don’t want any of the routine childhood fax required by California law, then another school option is likely your best bet.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Here are the required vaccinations for students going into public schools in California.

Shots Required for K-12 | ShotsForSchool.org

Assuming no allergy issues there is nothing on this list that is not appropriate for school aged children to have. Flu is not required, RV, meningococcal etc.

And just for clarity, those others are required to attend a public school. No one is going to your home to inject your child against your will. But public school always has been about the communal good and not the individual want. If you don’t want any of the routine childhood fax required by California law, then another school option is likely your best bet.
California law applies to private schools as well. The only option is home school. But, people who know more than all the medical/scientific experts in the world should be able to figure out how to make home schooling work for them.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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Here are the required vaccinations for students going into public schools in California.

Shots Required for K-12 | ShotsForSchool.org

Assuming no allergy issues there is nothing on this list that is not appropriate for school aged children to have. Flu is not required, RV, meningococcal etc.

And just for clarity, those others are required to attend a public school. No one is going to your home to inject your child against your will. But public school always has been about the communal good and not the individual want. If you don’t want any of the routine childhood fax required by California law, then another school option is likely your best bet.

The things is, there are some vaccines that you might question as a parent. I think you mentioned the flu vaccine. Yet, maybe another parent opposes a different vaccine for their child for reasons you may not quite understand. Maybe their child had a mild reaction, or even a serious reaction that wasn’t fully documented. They are faced with getting the vaccine anyway or homeschooling. Not really a choice for many.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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The things is, there are some vaccines that you might question as a parent. I think you mentioned the flu vaccine. Yet, maybe another parent opposes a different vaccine for their child for reasons you may not quite understand. Maybe their child had a mild reaction, or even a serious reaction that wasn’t fully documented. They are faced with getting the vaccine anyway or homeschooling. Not really a choice for many.
And what about the family who has a child who is immune compromised? They literally can’t vaccinate, and a parent who has a question instead of a medical reason not to vaccinate should not be allowed to put the other children at risk.

This is why the science and the experts matter. The routine vaccinations are a no brainer.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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California law applies to private schools as well. The only option is home school. But, people who know more than all the medical/scientific experts in the world should be able to figure out how to make home schooling work for them.
Thank you for this information. I did not know it applied to private school. But yes, I don’t think it really changes my overall opinion either.
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