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Old 07-27-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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We do more than other countries. That's part of why we're proud to be Americans.
A positive minor effect is better than a negative effect.

If only more people in this country thought that way , we wouldn't see the divisiveness we are seeing.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Talk about the last straw.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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At least one city is even threatening jail time for violators.
That talking point really has legs. Santa Barbara is not threatening jail time for violators. They've made it against the city code to use plastic straws (exemptions apply, because they're not actually the caricatures some right-wingers like to pretend). The city code allows for jail time for the most serious violations.

But nobody has ever suggested that a very minor transgression (plastic straws) should be treated on par with the most serious violations (repeatedly burning stacks of old tires within city limits or somesuch). Except Fox News, reason.com etc. who came up with that all on their own.

Which is why this debate is kinda tiresome, when one side takes it upon itself to lie freely.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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I would think still useful as would be the throttling of the use of plastic bags. Walk around the desert here and the darn thing litter the landscape. And they last a long time.
That's happening, too. And pretty much the same people who argue in favor of plastic straws have been screaming like stuck pigs.

These seemingly minor changes are, I feel, harbingers of a widespread reaction against the silly overuse of plastic, especially single-use plastic. To which I say, good.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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For me, straws are an example of mostly unnecessary single-use plastic consumption and every time I turn down a straw, I also think about requesting a real glass or mug and sitting down for a few minutes to enjoy my drink rather than taking it to go. It inspires me to consider other ways that I can reduce my consumption of single-use plastic when I go to the grocery store by taking my own basket or bag and filling it with non-packaged foods, which is better for my health. The straw conversation begins a cascade of better decisions about how best to consume that which is necessary in my daily life.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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As in many government bans, this one is beyond silly. Maybe that's why some people support straw bans. It follows the old rule "tell a lie big enough and often enough and people will believe it".

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We could collect all of the straws in North America, bundle them together and shoot them into the Sun, and the state of the ocean would hardly be improved at all. Indeed, we could stop using plastic altogether and it would barely make a dent in the problem. Does that mean we should be totally unconcerned about our own waste? No, but it does mean that our waste is, comparatively, not a significant problem. The ocean is being destroyed by Asia and Africa. Until they get their acts together, only minimal progress can be made.

And, as far as straws go, it's a near total non-issue. The United States accounts for a tiny fraction of the plastic in the ocean and straws account for a tiny fraction of that tiny fraction. Go ahead and refrain from straws if you wish. More power to you. But you are accomplishing very little for the environment. That's just the reality, in case anyone cares about reality anymore.

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You know most of us do not really care. If, indeed plastic straws do pollute get rid of them. I do not see what the big deal is about what kind of straws they use anyway. Paper works fine for me, I am not going to lose any sleep over which is better.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:20 AM
 
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If only more people in this country thought that way , we wouldn't see the divisiveness we are seeing.



2 things. If more people thought ANY one way together, there wouldn't be the divisiveness. And that would be one boring, dull world.



Me, I'm rather more for putting effort where it's most efficient. That means target the BIGGEST transgressions first (Asia and Africa plastic pollution). I find it ironic that Starbucks new lid uses much more plastic than the straw it's replacing. Talk about 1 step forward and 2 steps back.


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Old 07-27-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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For me, straws are an example of mostly unnecessary single-use plastic consumption and every time I turn down a straw, I also think about requesting a real glass and sitting down and enjoying my drink rather than taking it to go. It inspires me to consider other ways that I can reduce my consumption of single-use plastic when I go to the grocery store by taking my own basket or bag and filling it with non-packaged foods, which is better for my health. The straw conversation begins a cascade of better decisions about how best to consume that which is necessary in my daily life.
Awesome I hope that works out for you but it still doesn't mean "there oughta be a law". The law doesn't even give you the chance to reject the straw and feel all good about yourself because the decision is made for you.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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You know most of us do not really care. If, indeed plastic straws do pollute get rid of them. I do not see what the big deal is about what kind of straws they use anyway. Paper works fine for me, I am not going to lose any sleep over which is better.
But you're not really saying "use paper straws if you want to" you're saying "paper straws works fine for me so let's force everyone to use them". If it's no big deal then there's no need for a law.


I don't care either way about straws really but some of the logic being used to justify the law is disturbing. "I feel good about myself when I reject plastic straws" and "paper straws work for me" are not reasons to restrict people's freedom, they are reasons for you as individuals to use paper straws.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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Awesome I hope that works out for you but it still doesn't mean "there oughta be a law". The law doesn't even give you the chance to reject the straw and feel all good about yourself because the decision is made for you.
I never said there ought to be a law, but I'm glad at least there's a conversation. Although I was headed down this path long before straws became an issue, I'm grateful for the thought trigger that the straw question presents for people to consider how they consume plastic. One of the most hopeful changes I'm seeing in my daily life happens at the coffee shop my daughter and I visit a few times a week. For a couple of years, we've been the only people who asked for ceramic mugs. Recently, though, other people have noticed and begun requesting mugs, too. Little things have the potential to cascade into bigger things, and we all have to start somewhere.
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