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Old 07-02-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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There is nothing in the 14th Amendment giving illegals citizenship.
I didn't say there was.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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It’s a state issue. Only a handful of states require all employers to eVerify all employees.

Why is this?

Rather an investment in biometrics than a wall.

Most large employers do the eVerify thing regardless of state. Small businesses and households are the primary employers of undocumented people. Nothing partisan about it.

It would take an Act of Congress to make it a Federal Law.

The powerful state and national Chamber of Commerce lobbies vigorously oppose eVerify.

Not all undocumented workers hail from Mexico and Central America. Eastern Europeans flock to the US on Visitor Visas and have no problem being employed in the trades. Some return home, rinse and repeat. And some stay put.

Illegal immigration became a tidal wave in the 80’s.
30+ years of doing nothing is no accident. It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.

WTH is a an undocumented worker? They are illegal aliens and not all of them are working either. Yes, visa over stayers are a problem also. Illegal entrants and visa over stayers need to be stopped and those already here deported.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I have a list of those who asked for Amnesty bills, including the Gang of Eight, (hinting that they might be hiring illegals.): https://patriotmongoose.wordpress.co...ty-supporters/



If I can't get the consumers to give a rip and boycott these guys, then I doubt Congress will be too worried about going after the bad employers if the voters aren't serious about it.
A few years back I needed to relplace my roof- a tear off. I solicited bids and made it clear the business had to provide my with a certificate of insurance naming me as an additional insured and that only documented workers be on site. Needless to say, most did not follow through or show for the estimate.

Finally found a father/ son who did the work themselves.

Most people hire contractors based on price and don’t care who the contractors employ and look the other way.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:24 PM
 
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What are you talking about it has always been a part of the discussion in here and also in congress. Where have you been? As for congress, there are too many sellouts in both parties to really clamp down on the employers but lately there have been a few employers that were caught and held accountable. That needs to be done a grand scale and would be much easier with e-verify in place. You seem to forget that it has to be proven that an employer "knowingly" hired illegal aliens before they can be prosecuted also.


It's not only jobs that bring illegal aliens here but birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits to. All of the incentives need to be ended not just one or they will still come here.
I've been on this message board for a decade, and every time this conversation comes up, literally no one ever suggests holding corporations accountable.

The reasons change with the political climate, but you already know that. It's just that every discussion blames something except for the only reason people come here: to earn money they couldn't back home.

And I'm a supporter of immigration. A very liberal supporter. And a very liberal supporter from a very liberal city and a long-time resident of a very Democratic state that is at the center of the blame-game (California).

Welfare policies are blamed. Or socialism. Or Democrats in general. But everyone from California to Georgia is profting massively from illegal immigration, which is why we have a media discussion that covers everything but the truth.

So if you want to stop illegal immigration for whatever reason, enact very harsh regulation on corporations. Regulation with teeth. Demand that it be enforced, whether state or federal. The only reason people come here is for economic opportunity that is unavailable elsewhere.

Edited to add:

The Democrats in my state (currently Illinois) don't want to stop illegal immigration for the same reason Californians don't, which is the same reason Republicans and conservatives in Georgia and Texas don't want to it to stop. It's mostly agriculture, but it's also the cheap labor that makes medical care, construction, retail, restaurants, and hard labor affordable.

Medical care is the big one, because every politician at the federal level is painfully aware that illegal labor is the only way we can foot the bill for Medicare/Medicaid.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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WTH is a an undocumented worker? They are illegal aliens and not all of them are working either. Yes, visa over stayers are a problem also. Illegal entrants and visa over stayers need to be stopped and those already here deported.
Have you considered “undocumented worker” is a troll for posters like you? Thanks for biting. .

Those with visas are free to travel through the US for the duration of their visa.

Want to put an ankle monitor on 76 million annual visitors ?
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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I've been on this message board for a decade, and every time this conversation comes up, literally no one ever suggests holding corporations accountable.

It's been addressed in this post. There are a few here that have said it has to be done in nearly every thread.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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I've been on this message board for a decade, and every time this conversation comes up, literally no one ever suggests holding corporations accountable.

The reasons change with the political climate, but you already know that. It's just that every discussion blames something except for the only reason people come here: to earn money they couldn't back home.

And I'm a supporter of immigration. A very liberal supporter. And a very liberal supporter from a very liberal city and a long-time resident of a very Democratic state that is at the center of the blame-game (California).

Welfare policies are blamed. Or socialism. Or Democrats in general. But everyone from California to Georgia is profting massively from illegal immigration, which is why we have a media discussion that covers everything but the truth.

So if you want to stop illegal immigration for whatever reason, enact very harsh regulation on corporations. Regulation with teeth. Demand that it be enforced, whether state or federal. The only reason people come here is for economic opportunity that is unavailable elsewhere.

Are you joking? Just read the many comments in this forum dealing with illegal immigration in the past couple of weeks and the subject of going after the employers who hire illegal aliens has been brought up numerous times, geesh! The illegal aliens are just as guilty as those who hire them. No one drags them over the border to work unlawfully and their reasons for doing so irrelevant and not justifiable. No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. They know what they are doing is wrong. Both need to be held accountable.


The subject isn't "immigration" it's illegal immigration. Are you confused? I also live in Calif. and know how devastating illegal immigration has been to our state. The only ones who benefit from illegal immigration are those who hire them for profit while the rest of us get the shaft in terms of lost jobs, reduced wages and sharing in the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us.


The last time the GOP introduced e-verify to reign in the employers it was voted down by the Democrats or the Dems attach an amnesty to it. Maybe it is they you need to address.


https://amac.us/dems-block-gop-bills...al-immigrants/
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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I have said it here on this forum before: The surest way to stem the flow of illegal immigration is to hold responsible the corporations that employ them.

It is odd how that never seems to be part of the discussion.
Yep. Republicans won’t go near it. And again, we all know why.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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Have you considered “undocumented worker” is a troll for posters like you? Thanks for biting. .

Those with visas are free to travel through the US for the duration of their visa.

Want to put an ankle monitor on 76 million annual visitors ?



So you are saying you like being a troll then? What's so hard about using the correct term for those in our country illegally? I'm sure there is a way to track visa holders without using ankle bracelets.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I've been on this message board for a decade, and every time this conversation comes up, literally no one ever suggests holding corporations accountable.

The reasons change with the political climate, but you already know that. It's just that every discussion blames something except for the only reason people come here: to earn money they couldn't back home.

And I'm a supporter of immigration. A very liberal supporter. And a very liberal supporter from a very liberal city and a long-time resident of a very Democratic state that is at the center of the blame-game (California).

Welfare policies are blamed. Or socialism. Or Democrats in general. But everyone from California to Georgia is profting massively from illegal immigration, which is why we have a media discussion that covers everything but the truth.

So if you want to stop illegal immigration for whatever reason, enact very harsh regulation on corporations. Regulation with teeth. Demand that it be enforced, whether state or federal. The only reason people come here is for economic opportunity that is unavailable elsewhere.

Edited to add:

The Democrats in my state (currently Illinois) don't want to stop illegal immigration for the same reason Californians don't, which is the same reason Republicans and conservatives in Georgia and Texas don't want to it to stop. It's mostly agriculture, but it's also the cheap labor that makes medical care, construction, retail, restaurants, and hard labor affordable.

Medical care is the big one, because every politician at the federal level is painfully aware that illegal labor is the only way we can foot the bill for Medicare/Medicaid.
Corporations?

You mean businesses that employ thousands of people? You think Walmart and/ or McDonalds hires undocumented workers? Think again.

It’s small businesses most of which have no payroll. These businesses are often corporations, too. And it’s individual households who desire cheap( er) labor.

I am sorry I don’t track your thought about illegal labor and footing the bill for Medicaid/ Medicare.
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