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Yep. Righties whine all day about paying taxes for "stupid" things like roads and education, but they seem to love paying tariffs through the nose for no good reason. Apparently, you can put a price on jingoism and partisan lunacy, as these tariffs demonstrate.
You can't "win" a trade war, as any casual student of history can tell you, and anyone who thinks this trade war is going to "bring duh jobs back to Americah!" is just dreaming.
I do wonder when the negative consequences of all of Trump's idiot posturing come home to roost and put the brakes on our economic growth that has been going strong since late 2009 or early 2010 if the far-right will have the courage and honesty to blame Trump for the fallout of this trade-war lunacy? OK, I'm kidding - we know they won't. They'll instead blame "Obama," "liberals," and all the other boogiemen as their idiot in chief fails down the same path so many have gone before him.
Of course, if you wanted good economic policy, you'd never have voted for Trump - a man who's gone broke HOW many times and who squandered the millions in his inheritance - in the first place!
So uh what about trade with VAT countries and the de facto tariff?
And is Canada being stupid here? Why not buy cheap American milk and make cheese? Isn't that colonizing us? Who cares about the subsidy when it will just cheapen their finished good supply chain? I mean the same argument must apply to steel.
I wish we could use that cheap steel the same way but we cannot because of the Chinese and EU tariffs and VAT taxes on cars
Especially as the counter-tariffs from the rest of the world will be carefully targeted at businesses from red Trump states and swing states...
Perhaps re-labeling "tariffs" as "import taxes" would cause more people to wake up? The people will pay for this.
Sadly, too many of the people will lack the integrity to connect Trump's idiot trade wars with the increase in prices - they'll just blame "liberals" and "Obama." They've bought into every lie Trump says, and they won't even believe evidence from their own lives over Trump's idiot dictates and demands.
Prime example of this from my own life: a legacy friend who worked at a grossly mismanaged brick and mortar store for many years. He told us all the time about how messed up the place was and how the services and goods they provided were being crushed by the internet. In 2009, they went under, thanks to the fallout from the collapse of the Housing Bubble. "Brick and mortar store killed by the internet" is about the most boring and obvious economic story one could create these days... but the story doesn't end there.
No... some years later, he rewrote his own life story, now claiming "Obama-care cost me mah job!" No, it didn't. We were all there when you told us the stories about how badly the place was run. We all saw the writing on the wall as the internet ate their lunch. And we all know the place folded in 2009 while the ACA went into law in 2010... so, barring time travel, the ACA didn't "cost him his job."
But this is what we're up against. People on the far-right who will rewrite their own life stories to fit their partisan lunacy, even in the face of facts, their own life experiences, and other people who know they are utterly full of BS. So, given that sad reality, I don't expect even sky-high, economy ruining tariffs with Trump's name literally printed on them will cost him a single vote from the far-right.
Yep. Righties whine all day about paying taxes for "stupid" things like roads and education, but they seem to love paying tariffs through the nose for no good reason. Apparently, you can put a price on jingoism and partisan lunacy, as these tariffs demonstrate.
You can't "win" a trade war, as any casual student of history can tell you, and anyone who thinks this trade war is going to "bring duh jobs back to Americah!" is just dreaming.
I do wonder when the negative consequences of all of Trump's idiot posturing come home to roost and put the brakes on our economic growth that has been going strong since late 2009 or early 2010 if the far-right will have the courage and honesty to blame Trump for the fallout of this trade-war lunacy? OK, I'm kidding - we know they won't. They'll instead blame "Obama," "liberals," and all the other boogiemen as their idiot in chief fails down the same path so many have gone before him.
Of course, if you wanted good economic policy, you'd never have voted for Trump - a man who's gone broke HOW many times and who squandered the millions in his inheritance - in the first place!
The left is in real trouble when Chuck Todd says on air that Trump is winning and the Dems are reeling !!!
Maybe they should take the hint and stop lying about Trump.
Indeed. It looks like cars and trucks are going to be declared a national security threat as well.
The OP better not being planning on buying a big three made in America vehicle soon. It goes across the border on average 7 times so a 20000 dollar car becomes a 50 grand one whereas one built stricktly in Mexico or Korea becomes a 25000 car.
Also by bringing in tariffs and ignoring existing trade deals why should any country trust a signed deal with the US as Trump can break it the very next day. A deal or treaty with the States is currently worthless. Trump didn't honour agreements with workers, suppliers or employees as a businessman and surely thinks they are tools to take advantage of others as a politician.
And what kind of person thinks the way for a huge power to get a good deal with a much smaller one is by attacking them and using the size advantage to pound the smaller one into submission. A deal that benefits only one side is not a deal at all but extortion. The US already has a large trade surplus with Canada but they want much more.
This move by Trump is leaving a very bitter taste in the mouths of many Canadians. If the US was to be attacked again like 911 and looking for a coalition to go after the attackers don't look to Canada after pissing on the graves of our men and women fighting in Afghanistan. Not if Trump and his supporters are calling us a threat to national security. Ask you buddies in Russia, North Korea and the Phillipines, and maybe Assad too.
The left is in real trouble when Chuck Todd says on air that Trump is winning and the Dems are reeling !!!
Maybe they should take the hint and stop lying about Trump.
Just because the economy is continuing to do well and many support Trump does not mean he is not lying. For example you bought into the lie that the US has a trade deficit with Canada and that Canada has large tariffs on American products whereas the US does not on Canadian goods. Those are outright lies and even Trump himself publicly admitted he didn't even know if you had a surplus or deficit with Canada.
Sadly, too many of the people will lack the integrity to connect Trump's idiot trade wars with the increase in prices - they'll just blame "liberals" and "Obama." They've bought into every lie Trump says, and they won't even believe evidence from their own lives over Trump's idiot dictates and demands.
Prime example of this from my own life: a legacy friend who worked at a grossly mismanaged brick and mortar store for many years. He told us all the time about how messed up the place was and how the services and goods they provided were being crushed by the internet. In 2009, they went under, thanks to the fallout from the collapse of the Housing Bubble. "Brick and mortar store killed by the internet" is about the most boring and obvious economic story one could create these days... but the story doesn't end there.
No... some years later, he rewrote his own life story, now claiming "Obama-care cost me mah job!" No, it didn't. We were all there when you told us the stories about how badly the place was run. We all saw the writing on the wall as the internet ate their lunch. And we all know the place folded in 2009 while the ACA went into law in 2010... so, barring time travel, the ACA didn't "cost him his job."
But this is what we're up against. People on the far-right who will rewrite their own life stories to fit their partisan lunacy, even in the face of facts, their own life experiences, and other people who know they are utterly full of BS. So, given that sad reality, I don't expect even sky-high, economy ruining tariffs with Trump's name literally printed on them will cost him a single vote from the far-right.
Its the sad reality of the power the business community and the billionaire class has in America. The labor union movement in countries where it is strong acts as a bulwark against workers shooting themselves in the foot. When the labor unions are not there to educate workers and keeping income and wealth inequality in check (which ensures ordinary folks have more power in the democratic process), they are easy prey for corporate propaganda and people vote with their "gut".
So uh what about trade with VAT countries and the de facto tariff?
And is Canada being stupid here? Why not buy cheap American milk and make cheese? Isn't that colonizing us? Who cares about the subsidy when it will just cheapen their finished good supply chain? I mean the same argument must apply to steel.
I wish we could use that cheap steel the same way but we cannot because of the Chinese and EU tariffs and VAT taxes on cars
That is exactly Trump's objective. If he can flood the Canadian market with heavily subsidized USA dairy products, Canadian farmers will not be able to compete and they will be wiped out. After they are wiped out, the USA will control the Canadian dairy industry and will hike the prices well beyond what Canadian producers charge.
Canadians do not want the USA to control the Canadian dairy industry. Canada already has a dairy industry and intends to keep it a healthy and viable industry for Canadian consumers.
A more realistic solution is that the USA should stop subsidizing farmers, stop overproducing product, or find another buyer for the surplus product.
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