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Like I said, until you seen it with your own eyes, you keep believing the lies.
Like I said your anecdotes do not cancel out others.
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I have seen it with the asthma medications and how they charge as much as 5 times more in the United States then they do in Canada or the EU for the same exact medicine with the same exact dose made by the same exact pharmaceutical company. Its just that the Canadian and European governments do not allow the private pharmaceutical companies to price gouge people the way the American government does.
That's the government. The same one you want to help you. Who do you think blocks the importation? Your government does. Who makes this drug? It is a US company?
Medicare, the largest single U.S. payer for prescription drugs, is by law unable to negotiate pricing. For Medicare Part B, companies report the average price at which they sell medicines to doctors’ offices or to distributors that sell to doctors. By law, Medicare adds 6% to these prices before reimbursing the doctors. Beneficiaries are responsible for 20% of the cost.
We have socialized medicine and its rigged. Maybe a nice little European country can control their government. This is our da guberment.
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And I only have asthma, I cannot imagine what people who have more expensive prescriptions are doing. Some I expect, are doing without the medicine their doctor recommended for them. Because they live in a country where health care is run by huge private health care companies that bought the government.
Well yeah. That's the problem with da guberment. They cannot buy Norway's and Norway has no vested interest in funneling money to people to fund their campaigns.
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But who cares if Grandma cannot afford her meds or the Smith's have to sell their house to get their 12 year old daughter treated for childhood cancer because insurance won't pay or Uncle Joe won't get a checkup because he is afraid of the bills - as long as the corporate stock price keeps going up, right?
Shows how much you are into your own anecdotes. Grandma does not pay much for her prescriptions under medicare. We pay more so she does not have to.
Shows how much you are into your own anecdotes. Grandma does not pay much for her prescriptions under medicare. We pay more so she does not have to.
Grandma is paying a lot for her prescriptions. Standard Medicare (Parts A and B) does not cover out-patient prescription drugs. To get that coverage, you have to BUY a Part D policy which is sold by a private insurance company approved by Medicare. There are deductibles and copays. https://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-cha...-coverage.html
Grandma is paying a lot for her prescriptions. Standard Medicare (Parts A and B) does not cover out-patient prescription drugs. To get that coverage, you have to BUY a Part D policy which is sold by a private insurance company approved by Medicare. There are deductibles and copays. https://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-cha...-coverage.html
Well like I said, what do you want? Do you want the latest drug or the cheaper ones a socialist state will buy? Do you want faster care or do you want to wait longer for cheaper care? Do you want to be paid 10k for malpractice of 200k for malpractice?
Well like I said, what do you want? Do you want the latest drug or the cheaper ones a socialist state will buy? Do you want faster care or do you want to wait longer for cheaper care? Do you want to be paid 10k for malpractice of 200k for malpractice?
Apples and apples would be a good start.
I was responding to you saying that Grandma is not paying much for her prescriptions.
Grandma is paying a lot for her prescriptions. Standard Medicare (Parts A and B) does not cover out-patient prescription drugs. To get that coverage, you have to BUY a Part D policy which is sold by a private insurance company approved by Medicare. There are deductibles and copays. https://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-cha...-coverage.html
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Originally Posted by gwynedd1
Well like I said, what do you want? Do you want the latest drug or the cheaper ones a socialist state will buy? Do you want faster care or do you want to wait longer for cheaper care? Do you want to be paid 10k for malpractice of 200k for malpractice?
Apples and apples would be a good start.
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt
I was responding to you saying that Grandma is not paying much for her prescriptions.
Yup, my parents are in their 70s and spend a pretty penny on prescriptions, especially my mother. Fortunately they have the means, others are less lucky.
Gwynedd, its not cheap knockoff versions being sold for less in "socialist countries", ITS THE SAME THING, same brand, same dosage, being sold 4 to 5 times less in the EU and Canada then in the United States.
Like I said before, until you see it with own eyes, you continue to fall for the "its socialist" line.
Yup, my parents are in their 70s and spend a pretty penny on prescriptions, especially my mother. Fortunately they have the means, others are less lucky.
Gwynedd, its not cheap knockoff versions being sold for less in "socialist countries", ITS THE SAME THING, same brand, same dosage, being sold 4 to 5 times less in the EU and Canada then in the United States.
Like I said before, until you see it with own eyes, you continue to fall for the "its socialist" line.
I guess you didn't read the source I offered. I know.
No, her medicare which didn't cover things , just like I said.
I said the socialized medicine rations with wait times and limited coverage because there must be some kind of rationing. Remove money and something else must give.
limited coverage
longer wait times
limited liability
less investment.
subject to state corruption
That is the trade off for the benefits...unless you have some sort of magical place on earth you would like mention. A small nation state like Norway has less corruption than we do. Boy am I shocked. So then lets send the problem to the states if that be true.
Now I'm envying this woman for her marvelous freedom - I can only decline an ambulance because it's my right, but she has the additional freedom of it being unaffordable........... you don't happen to work in advertising. by any chance?
Nope, and I'm not going to defend the system the way it is now either. It's an outrage in many cases.
But it's the system we have now, until they figure out a better way, which may or may not be single payer.
So because it's the system we have now, I'm defending the woman's choice not to take an overpriced ambulance, when she can probably drive herself there 2 hours later.
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