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Old 07-05-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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With privileges come burdens. The privilege of being the world's sole superpower, having the principal reserve-currency, dominating the popular-culture and claiming "exceptional" status, means willingly and gladly accepting inferior options and shouldering outsized responsibilities. It means protecting nations that bristle at being protected. It means accepting refugees that other nations with unassailable justification turn away. It means being the first to offer aid when disasters strike, but the last to expect foreign-aid when disasters strike here at home. It means agreeing to international treaties that cost America more than they cost any other country, that bestow fewer benefits on its residents and demand higher sacrifices. It means knowingly and willingly taking it in the proverbial shorts - decade after decade, generation after generation - and never complaining.

America is the captain of the world's team. To be captain means that you're the last to receive a fresh jersey. You get the least convenient locker. You receive the brunt of the tirades and invectives from the coach. When the crowd boos the team, their jeers are directed primarily at you. You're expected to be the first to dress-out, and the last to hit the showers. And when awards are handed out, you're last in line to receive them.
What America has become is not the result of privilege. It is the result of talented individuals innovating and inventing and succeeding for their own rational self-interest. It is the result of adopting the most successful and beneficial economic system in the history of mankind: Capitalism. We do not owe the rest of the world anything. In fact, the entire world owes us. For providing the road map and role model to naked and brilliant success.

All of your nonsensical pronouncements regarding sacrifice are wrongheaded and evil. We do not owe simply because we are the best. We are owed, for showing the world how to be the best.

The fact that we have physically saved the world from evil on many occasions is icing on the cake for the rest of the world. We don’t owe it any way, shape, or form. Being good does not mean we are to be enslaved by lesser civilizations than our own.

Let me revert to street talk to drive the point home: your tired and hackneyed altruist-collectivist sentiments need to be shoved where the sun doesn’t shine. Please take care of that for me.
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Old 07-05-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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Every generation has it's own problems.The climate will do what it does. Nobody can stop it, and to be honest, iI won't give up acintillan of lifestyle for an uncertain future for people who might, just as easily be killed in the next Ice Age.
Correct. Or a meteor. Future generations are NOT people and do not exist. We are not to be enslaved for people that exist, much less for those that do not.
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Heat wave deaths in Quebec now 17 and still climbing.
That only proves people are stupid.

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What? Where have you been hiding?

Read this and join us in the 21st century. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/c...is-a-clue.html
The architect of global warming makes this claim in his book:

In his book Storms of my Grandchildren, noted climate scientist James Hansen issued the following warning: "[i]f we burn all reserves of oil, gas, and coal, there is a substantial chance we will initiate the runaway greenhouse. If we also burn the tar sands and tar shale, I believe the Venus syndrome is a dead certainty."

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...imate-science/

Like Hansen, you and other Truth deniers can't get around the fact that for 2 Billion years, the Earth's atmosphere was nothing but CO2, Methane and Ammonia, with no Oxygen, and yet no runaway greenhouse effect happened.

Even more embarrassing, there were two major glaciations that virtually turned Earth into a snow-ball, the Pangolan and Huronian.

If CO2 and other greenhouse gases like Methane cause temperatures to increase, then those massive glaciations should have been impossible.

For the next 500 Million years after those 2 Billion years, as Oxygen very slowly leached into the atmosphere during the Great Oxygenation Event, the amount of CO2 and Methane dwarfed the amount of Oxygen, and yet there still was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Yet, we're supposed to believe that the paltry amount of CO2 generated by burning all existing fossil fuels is going to cause a runaway greenhouse effect.

The reality is CO2 has no effect on global temperatures.
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:16 PM
 
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I feel like it’s too late to do anything. We’re all at fault.

Ice caps melt, and no longer will it reflect the heat back i to space. So more heat is absorbed. Oceans are good heats sinks for the planet but the dirty trick is that increasing heat causes them to evaporate thus reducing the absorption. Each year the heat waves get worse, we try to adapt. Weather gets more insane, followed by long periods of no rain. People from warmer parts of the planet find themselves in an inhospitable world. So now we got Climate refugees heading north and any place that isn’t underwater.

Im paraphrasing alot that Ive read. And even looked up counter arguements like “the world was hotter before”.
And maybe it isn’t the end. But life will become extremely difficult for our future generations. Because we were so excessive and took everything for granted. “Screw the next generations, I gots mines”..
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:27 PM
 
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I feel like it’s too late to do anything. We’re all at fault.

Ice caps melt, and no longer will it reflect the heat back i to space. So more heat is absorbed. Oceans are good heats sinks for the planet but the dirty trick is that increasing heat causes them to evaporate thus reducing the absorption. Each year the heat waves get worse, we try to adapt. Weather gets more insane, followed by long periods of no rain. People from warmer parts of the planet find themselves in an inhospitable world. So now we got Climate refugees heading north and any place that isn’t underwater.

Im paraphrasing alot that Ive read. And even looked up counter arguements like “the world was hotter before”.
And maybe it isn’t the end. But life will become extremely difficult for our future generations. Because we were so excessive and took everything for granted. “Screw the next generations, I gots mines”..
Nobody is "at fault". Nobody did anything wrong. Climate changes, it's no big deal. And if it is a big deal and the planet dies, it is better that we lived to our fullest potential and for our greatest enjoyment and flourishing.

Once the planet dies, there will most likely be bacteria and extremophile organisms that survive and evolve over millions of years to the next iteration of intelligent life. Maybe they will figure it all out, maybe they won't. It's a cycle. And if our planet dies permanently? No big deal. There are plenty of other planets with life.

We do not exist to make life easier for people that do not exist and may never exist. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if people who do not exist ever get to exist. If that happens, they won't know it and won't suffer, since they will never be aware of what they never had. Ultimately, death for the planet is a certainty, and if we do not solve the problem of travelling to other planets in short periods of time, we will all perish. Who cares? It doesn't matter. Imaginary future people are NOT people, they don't exist, they don't have rights, they are precisely nothingness. And we don't enslave each other to secure an existence for those that do not exist, and may never exist.

So we should use every last iota of fossil fuels before transitioning to solar, wind, etc. It will only take a few hundred years, which is an eye blink. And if a few people have to move inland and buy a 7,500 BTU air conditioner instead of a 5,000 BTU air conditioner, so be it.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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More AGW / AGCC alarmist nonsense.
No, there are no "greenhouse gases trapping heat."

No, the planet is not "warming up."
Peak temperatures have NOT been exceeded. Spot records of high temperature fail to note the spot records of low temperature.

In fact, based on the discrepancy of temperatures on the moon and on the space station, Earth's atmosphere is COOLING the planet.

But the alarmists need us to believe the nonsense so they can tax air and sequester carbon dioxide... an insane goal if ever.

- - - DATA - - -
● Earth max : (134.33 F)
● Space station max : (250 F)
● Lunar surface max : (242.33 F)

Zero atmosphere = higher maximum temperature
How does a “heat trapping”atmosphere stay colder?

And if heat was being 'trapped,' why hasn't the maximum temperature gone up to a new record level?

Is the “Greenhouse effect” like a refrigerator “trapping heat”?

There is no "heating up" or trapping of heat by the atmosphere when it is COOLING the planet. And since there is no conduction nor convection of heat in a vacuum, that leaves RADIATION. The atmosphere is radiating / reflecting back energy, that COOLS the planet.

Facts in support - - -
Earth Albedo : 0.3
Moon Albedo : 0.11

Coincidentally, the so-called greenhouse gases have a higher emissivity that means they COOL the planet even more. And the #1 greenhouse gas is water vapor, which has a far greater effect than trace gases like CO2 or methane.. . .
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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Try Solving Reality:
  • The human population of Earth is still increasing.
    True.
  • The percentage of that population living in desperate poverty (thereby having a minimal carbon footprint) is plummeting.
    True.
  • Millions are increasing their wealth sufficient to have access to first-world energy consuming luxuries every single day.
    True.
  • The energy consumption per person is increasing rapidly and not decreasing like environmentalists insist it needs to.
    True.
  • Cheaper energy sells.
    True.
  • If you can't make it cheaper, you can't sell in the long run.
    True.
  • Fossil fuels provide cheap energy.
    True, although there are real hidden costs that are not accounted for, so it isn’t as cheap as it looks on paper.
  • Sometimes, heat waves cannot be provably connected to human caused climate change.
    True, one heat wave does not prove AGW, but a warmer global average temperature will obviously increase the frequency and severity of heat waves (basic statistics).
  • Sometimes the climate changes all by itself for reasons that we don't fully understand.
    Mostly False. The mechanisms for natural climate change are well understood: changes in solar radiation from changes in the earth’s orbit, axial tilt, etc. Right now we should very gradually be going back to an ice age (we would be nearing the end of the present interglacial period). So a *little* extra CO2 is probably a good thing to prevent another ice age, but we have gone way past that.
  • Planet Earth has seen extreme climate change repeatedly over the past 4.7 billion years, most of it before humans existed.
    True. And it was bad news for anything living at that time.
  • So no the science isn't settled -- that in spite of the fact that I mostly agree that humans are having a significant impact.
    False. The science has been settled since the mid 1800s when it was discovered that CO2 absorbs heat. But back in the mid 1800s nobody could imagine humans burning coal and oil at the rate we are now. Since then, CO2 levels have gone from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm from burning enormous amounts of coal, oil, and natural gas..
  • So some people are going to continue to disagree with the whole global warming thing.
    True, but irrelevant. Some people are going to disagree with the whole round earth thing, too. Popular belief does not equal truth.
  • This makes it difficult to get everyone onboard with doing something about all of it.
    True.
  • Solar and wind energy actually have a surprisingly high carbon footprint.
    Probably true, since vast amounts of solar panels and wind turbines are needed to capture meaningful amounts of power. The energy density of wind and solar energy is awfully low compared to traditional energy sources. And you need natural gas backup plants for times when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.
  • Every source of energy that we have is flawed in one way or another.
    True.

There's the problem. Who can solve it??
These people are trying:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco.../#55bbb53a1139

It’s a small nuclear reactor that can’t melt down. Whether it can be cheaper than coal /gas remains to be seen. And yes, there’s still the problem of nuclear waste disposal and all of the nimbyism that comes with that.

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Old 07-06-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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That only proves people are stupid.



The architect of global warming makes this claim in his book:

In his book Storms of my Grandchildren, noted climate scientist James Hansen issued the following warning: "[i]f we burn all reserves of oil, gas, and coal, there is a substantial chance we will initiate the runaway greenhouse. If we also burn the tar sands and tar shale, I believe the Venus syndrome is a dead certainty."

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...imate-science/



The reality is CO2 has no effect on global temperatures.
Only in your world, where you can make up whatever version of reality you want to. In the real world, you are laughably incorrect. I believe in climate science, you should listen to people who know what they’re talking about. You can start with Hansen.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Man is using 100 million barrels of fossil fuel per day, i believe there are consequences to such a course of action, scientists who study the climate say as global temps rises weather events will become more extreme. Sounds logical to me and sound more plausible than Limbaugh and FOX just saying its all a hoax.
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Only in your world, where you can make up whatever version of reality you want to. In the real world, you are laughably incorrect. I believe in climate science, you should listen to people who know what they’re talking about. You can start with Hansen.
And by climate science, you mean political science, because that is what climate science is all about.

Armageddonism makes money. Publish or perish. That is what drives state sponsored climate scientists who don't produce anything and are basically welfare queens rolling around in the mud at the public pig trough bleating for money for their next "research" project. Which will always produce dramatic armageddonism because that's what sells, and that's what buys, the next government-provided taxpayer funded "study".

They don't get grants if they don't get hysterical.

And since they are on the public dole, and the squeaky wheel gets the oil, they compete to squeak, or rather squawk, the loudest.

What an amazing co-inky-dink that ALL climate scientists hate Capitalism. What a total random co-inky-dink that all climate scientists seem to espouse the same leftist-collectivist politics.

Co-inky-dink. That's what it is.
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