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Old 07-04-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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TRIGGER WARNING.

-You still have 20-40% of your income stolen from you without your consent.

-You need a permit to do just about anything; 8 year-olds having a lemonade stand, for example.

-The government is spying on your every move, and working with corporations to spy on you even more.

-You can't ingest certain substances with which the government disapproves.

-You are sexually molested and violated at airports, bus stations, and train terminals.

-Your money is fake, unbacked, and is losing value by the minute.

-And many, many more.

Happy 4th, everyone!
tell us a country that is any freer then America and while you are telling us why not pack your bags and move to that country?
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You start off with some decent points and then off the cliff you go. You can not live in this world and not use what others pay for unless you want to go off into the wilderness which you can do now. No one is stopping you.
You can pay only for the things you use. Most libertarians, even ancaps, have no problem with user fees.

And why do you people always use the wilderness fallacy? Most wilderness is "owned" (really claimed) by the federal government. If I homesteaded a plot of publicly-owned land I would be arrested.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Come on guys, some consistency here.
Acts of aggression against innocent people--Ted K.

Self-defense to protect your life and property--libertarian.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The constitution?

Never signed it. It's under glass in D.C. Haven't even been in D.C. in nearly 20 years.

Are you claiming you're not subject to the laws of the land?

Even so, you told us a man who's done nothing wrong has the right to be left alone.

So, once again, your wife comes home and says she was raped by a man whose address she knows. You report it to the police, they go to that address and the man says he's done nothing wrong. Would you be happy to end it there and say the man has the right to be left alone?
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Well in America, he has the presumption of innocence but where does the Constitution guarantee him the right to be left alone? It only gives him the right to face his accuser and defend himself in a court of law. If that makes you feel oppressed, you have the right to leave.
The Constitution doesn't grant nor guarantee rights of any kind. Rights exist inherently.

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Or, in your world, suppose your wife came home and said she was raped by a specific man, if he claimed innocence would you argue he should be left alone or would you demand he be tried?
Private courts or arbitrators.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Do defensive forces somehow mysteriously materialize with no $$$ to fund them?

If not, how in your little utopia with no taxes would they be funded?
Utopias don't exist.

Defensive forces/security would be paid for by their clients.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Are you claiming you're not subject to the laws of the land?

Even so, you told us a man who's done nothing wrong has the right to be left alone.

So, once again, your wife comes home and says she was raped by a man whose address she knows. You report it to the police, they go to that address and the man says he's done nothing wrong. Would you be happy to end it there and say the man has the right to be left alone?
I want consensual contracts between private properties to be upheld by agreed-upon resolution councils. I would privately fund my self-defense that way as well and use private courts.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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And if everybody didn't want to pay, just HOW would those forces keep track of just whom to defend. Or, would it be a mandatory payment, a tax masquerading under a different name?
There would be competing market security companies. Is this really that difficult to follow?
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Pay for services.

It's called consensual contracts. Something us big kids use in lieu of babies signing social contracts in wombs.

Good pic rebeldor...
I knew you'd like that one.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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tell us a country that is any freer then America and while you are telling us why not pack your bags and move to that country?
Just because the illegals that come to this country make it look so easy doesn’t mean that it’s so easy for us to move to another country. Here in the US, We have Family ties, property, careers and a Social Security system that ties us down to retire here when the time comes. I wouldn’t mind moving to a foreign country once I am retired and less attached here.
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