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Old 07-04-2018, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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We're ALL gonna croak, some of us are gonna work at having a blast before we do, it's much more fun than .
The problem is you're forcing everyone else to party with you.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Well, you certainly know how to pee in the potato salad, dont'cha ? Like the other non-reactionary folks here, I will be grilling my government-inspected brats and celebrating the 4th with friends. We'll go over to the state-sponsored fireworks show and we'll have a lovely time. Have fun in the bunker.
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Said the frog in the simmering pot of water
Oh, just STOP! I've been "simmering" in this pot for 66 years now and I have NEVER felt unduly constrained by the government. I enjoy the benefits of a civilized society. I don't want unlicensed doctors or uninspected food or unlicensed drivers or people shooting heroin on the street. You want real freedom ? Go down to Skid Row in L.A.. You can shoot your drugs, crap in the street and no one will say a word to you.

Hate taxes? Then don't use the roads, don't fly, don't go to a park or a beach because these are things that I pay taxes to maintain and control.


What I notice from you complainers is a complete lack of SOLUTIONS. Oh, wait, you don't have any.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Gee, maybe they figure those who whine so much about their so-called lack of freedom would be willing to join up and fight for what they claim they lack.
It's not a claim.

The only thing I can do to protect my freedom is to participate in the State's entities as little as possible--I don't vote, I pay as little taxes as possible, I use cryptocurrency, I rarely fly commercial, I have all my electronics encrypted, and I don't use social media, Google, or any other quasi-governmental company.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Got any pictures of the ones who've been shot?
Most people submit before it reaches that point. Do you disagree with the scenario that if you refuse to pay a tax you will be fined and if you refuse to pay the fine govt agents with guns will show up at your residence, and if you defend yourself and home against those agents you will be shot?
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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Shooting random people, running them off the road, and stealing what isn't yours isn't freedom--they are acts of aggression.

Nice straw man, though.
Yes, it is an act of aggression, but you can’t make claims about not being truly free if you aren’t able to do whatever you want. See how that works?
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Oh, just STOP! I've been "simmering" in this pot for 66 years now and I have NEVER felt unduly constrained by the government. I enjoy the benefits of a civilized society. I don't want unlicensed doctors or uninspected food or unlicensed drivers or people shooting heroin on the street. You want real freedom ? Go down to Skid Row in L.A.. You can shoot your drugs, crap in the street and no one will say a word to you.

Hate taxes? Then don't use the roads, don't fly, don't go to a park or a beach because these are things that I pay taxes to maintain and control.


What I notice from you complainers is a complete lack of SOLUTIONS. Oh, wait, you don't have any.
Translation: Those in cages and body bags should have just followed orders...like me.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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Oh, just STOP! I've been "simmering" in this pot for 66 years now and I have NEVER felt unduly constrained by the government. I enjoy the benefits of a civilized society. I don't want unlicensed doctors or uninspected food or unlicensed drivers or people shooting heroin on the street. You want real freedom ? Go down to Skid Row in L.A.. You can shoot your drugs, crap in the street and no one will say a word to you.

Hate taxes? Then don't use the roads, don't fly, don't go to a park or a beach because these are things that I pay taxes to maintain and control.


What I notice from you complainers is a complete lack of SOLUTIONS. Oh, wait, you don't have any.
you've heard the solutions you just choose to ignore them.
And yes I hate money being stolen from myself and others, and since I have been victimized I will continue to use the roads, airports, beaches, etc.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, it is an act of aggression, but you can’t make claims about not being truly free if you aren’t able to do whatever you want. See how that works?
Your freedom ends where the freedom of another man's begins.

See how that works?
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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Your freedom ends where the freedom of another man's begins.

See how that works?
So, you have created a rule to keep a civilized society. To do so, some freedoms have to be limited or removed. That’s the point. The things the OP are complaining about are needed for a civilized society to function.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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you've heard the solutions you just choose to ignore them.
And yes I hate money being stolen from myself and others, and since I have been victimized I will continue to use the roads, airports, beaches, etc.
It's like I tell the Statists all the time: Stop stealing from me at gunpoint and I'll stop using the things you are building with my money. Secondly, don't try to stop me when I peacefully build my own things using my own money.

Not a single bite yet. They can't resist. Whether it be the soccer dad cutting "public grass" so his kid can play in the field or the Japanese man wishing to die on the deserted island he has been living on for 29 years they always send out a warning or outright kidnap the man who wishes to be left alone or do something for himself.

Deep down they know if someone is self-reliant or gets things done/lives peacefully outside the government lines the other slaves may take notice of the sham known as the State. Can't have that.
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