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Old 07-02-2018, 04:08 PM
 
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So...leading the way?

The Californization of American Politics
Across the country, Democrats are winning primaries by promoting policies like universal health insurance and guaranteed income — ideas once laughed off as things that work only on the “Left Coast.” At the same time, national politicians from both sides are finally putting front and center issues that California has been grappling with for years: immigration, clean energy, police reform, suburban sprawl.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/o...-politics.html
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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“I think California has this great advantage, which is we have a functioning democracy,”

No, Tom Steyer, we have a de facto one party state a la South Africa and its ANC. You'll be hard pressed to find anywhere in the US from the PNW to Texas to the Deep South to the Midwest that wants to model its politics on what's happened here in the last twenty five years.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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California open borders have destroyed schools and non college jobs. Clean energy is expensive making Calif. very expensive to live and for what. Police reform criminals can do anything they want and they know it. Suburban sprawl people want a detached house with a yard.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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"The Californization of American Politics" is why Donald Trump won.

Yeah, those policies carry for Democratic primaries, but they don't resonate with most Americans. The worst thing the Democratic Party ever did was going super extreme-left, causing the Republican Party to go super extreme-right. Americans want centrist politicians that can work for us ALL.

Both parties should have become more centrist than extremest, but we are where we are now.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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So...leading the way?

The Californization of American Politics
Across the country, Democrats are winning primaries by promoting policies like universal health insurance and guaranteed income —

Those people are in highly progressive districts making even the average Democrat wonder if this is the party that represents them. The joke is that Nancy Pelosi is the best mouthpieces for the Republican agenda, politicians even further to the left than her will only help the GOP.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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Both parties should have become more centrist than extremest, but we are where we are now.

There is extremes in both parties and by far the biggest issue for Republicans in the religious right. That is being marginalized as time goes by.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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"The Californization of American Politics" is why Donald Trump won.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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"The Californization of American Politics" is why Donald Trump won.

Yeah, those policies carry for Democratic primaries, but they don't resonate with most Americans. The worst thing the Democratic Party ever did was going super extreme-left, causing the Republican Party to go super extreme-right. Americans want centrist politicians that can work for us ALL.

Both parties should have become more centrist than extremest, but we are where we are now.
What is "centrist"? Taking bribe money from big pharma, Wall Street and insurance corporations and denying people cheaper medicine, giving Wall Street more freedom to crash the economy and denying people health care to serve their donor overlords?

This isnt "centrist" even though its portrayed like that in the corporate media. Its radical. We live in radical times where 0.1% of the population basically own the entire political system.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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So...leading the way?

The Californization of American Politics
Across the country, Democrats are winning primaries by promoting policies like universal health insurance and guaranteed income — ideas once laughed off as things that work only on the “Left Coast.” At the same time, national politicians from both sides are finally putting front and center issues that California has been grappling with for years: immigration, clean energy, police reform, suburban sprawl.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/o...-politics.html

winning primaries is easy compared to winning the general election. remember that in the primaries you are only campaigning to your base, in the general election however you have to appeal to a wider audience, and there in lies the difficulty of going too far left or too far right, you always have to come back towards the center.
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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"The Californization of American Politics" is why Donald Trump won.

Yeah, those policies carry for Democratic primaries, but they don't resonate with most Americans. The worst thing the Democratic Party ever did was going super extreme-left, causing the Republican Party to go super extreme-right. Americans want centrist politicians that can work for us ALL.

Both parties should have become more centrist than extremest, but we are where we are now.


And when the time comes to clean up the mess, let's make it clear who created it, and who should pay for the clean-up.
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