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Old 07-07-2018, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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No.

Think about the possible (and often likely) consequences.

Imagine... a bully starts a fight , but, the victim is unbeknownst to the bully a tough and skilled fighter. The bully quickly figures out that he has messed with the wrong person and attempts to flee and announces that he has had enough and quits...

Are you saying that we should now allow the original victim to go vigilante on the bully? To what extent?



No. It has been settled law for many years that if an initial aggressor gives up the fight and makes it known that he "quits", the original victim is not permitted to take on the role of aggressor.
There is an update to the original article at the bottom of the page that addresses that. The author actually apologizes for being less than vigilant in seeking the facts.
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:21 AM
 
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Yep, he wasn't defending himself, he pursued after them and then stabbed one of them.

UPDATE: Eugene Volokh over at the Volokh Conspiracy was curious about the vagueness of the news coverage describing the incident and checked in further. He tells me it turns out that the fight didn't just "spill out" of the shop as the news coverage indicates. The assailants were actually fleeing the scene. Since Sumpter was chasing after them, it is very likely that even without the "duty to retreat" component of Connecticut's law, the stabbing probably would not have been considered self-defense. I take responsibility for not being more curious about the gaps in the news coverage describing the incident.
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:59 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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As much as I may cheer for thugs to get a good thumping by their would be victims, in this case they were in retreat. Meaning attempting to leave.
I understand the heat of battle, adrenalin etc. can cloud your judgment. That said he lost his self defense argument when he stopped defending and started pursuing. I think the sentence was too harsh and I hope that the thugs get a lot more.
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Old 07-07-2018, 06:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ridiculous laws means this guy is being heavily penalized for defending himself.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/05/h...-teens-at-work



Tyranny has many forms. Who ever charged & sentenced me, would wear the scars of a tyrant once I was released from bondage. They better kill me, in the war they started.


Tyranny attacked him, and then tyranny punishes him for getting instant justice with his attackers??? **** THAT!

Last edited by BentBow; 07-07-2018 at 07:04 AM..
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Old 07-07-2018, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Tyranny has many forms. Who ever charged & sentenced me, would wear the scars of a tyrant once I was released from bondage. They better kill me, in the war they started.


Tyranny attacked him, and then tyranny punishes him for getting instant justice with his attackers??? **** THAT!
You are CLEARLY mistaken. The thugs left and the guy chased them. He got charged for doing just that and not for anything less. No tyranny here, just misunderstanding and rhetoric.
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Suburban_Guy View Post
Ridiculous laws means this guy is being heavily penalized for defending himself.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/05/h...-teens-at-work
“Teens” Euphemism for thug.
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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It was in Connecticut. What more to say.
I live here. And yup. This governor and state has been so generous for law breakers. Letting them seek special privileges, and early release.
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Bellevue WA
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Default Self-defense it was not

There's an update to the blog; the three would be robbers turned tail and ran, and Sumpter pursued them out the store, then stabbed the one. I think that blows self-defense anywhere in the country.
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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There's an update to the blog; the three would be robbers turned tail and ran, and Sumpter pursued them out the store, then stabbed the one. I think that blows self-defense anywhere in the country.
I'm working so I don't have time to read the article just yet. Does it say anything about the 3 would be robbers being charged with attempted robbery or anything like that? Because while I understand and agree that this man wasn't actually defending himself when he injured one of his attackers, they should still be charged with a crime themselves for the attempted robbery.
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: southern california
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This is revolting and numbing it is now the criminals lauded as heros
Has the world gone mad
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