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Old 07-08-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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That used to be true before we had fetal homicide laws. Now both have a legal right to life.
We have mistakenly allowed some people to assault our freedoms by imposing their religious beliefs on society. But that is a mistake that can be corrected, should be corrected, and will be corrected. Especially as the millennials begin to take over the electoral process. Over time, slowly at first but with increasing speed, American society will become a bit more like European society in terms of secularism. That seems a certainty given the intellectual and philosophical predilections of millennials and their children to come.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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Each Constitutional Right is its own subject.
Incorrect. Several intersect.

Principles and Passions: The Intersection of Abortion and Gun Rights

Another example: The Colorado baker's case. His 13th Amendment Rights (prohibits involuntary servitude) are also upheld by upholding his First Amendment Rights.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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A 6 month old is a realized human being. A fetus is NOT a realized human being
That used to be true, but fetal homicide laws gave them the same right to life.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Because the right to have an abortion is about the right to control your own body. Owning a gun has nothing to do with body autonomy.
Actually, it does. Self-defense and the defense of one's family, etc.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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Fetal homicide laws, written for anything before viability are an unjust law. They should be stricken.
I agree. One cannot be pro-abortion and at the same time say killing a fetus is a crime.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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That used to be true, but fetal homicide laws gave them the same right to life.
Depends on the state. Some states only apply fetal homicide laws to viable fetuses. Some put a specific week on the fetus and other states, usually the red(no surprise), apply the law from conception. Look it up.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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True. I had a friend who had a late term abortion after having tried for many years to conceive. She aborted well after any arbitrary "viability" deadline. This was because she (the fetus) had a severe form of osteoimperfectii and had her brain growing outside of her skull. Not only was she suffering (multiple broken bones in utero) but she was not going to survive birth. So my friend had the late term abortion. That sort of decision should be made between a woman and her doctor. Don't you agree?
That is a justifiable reason for an abortion. However, abortion for the sake of convenience is not justifiable, and the majority of Americans agree that it is not (Pew Research Poll, May 2018).
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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Rather than abortion control how about a common sense discussion regarding prevention, address the disease rather than the symptom.
I've already asked the following question, and NO one has answered it:

Women can get contraceptive services/supplies at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities where they're getting their abortions, or at one of the likely much closer 14,000+ publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide. That would eliminate the need for having so many abortions in the first place, so why don't they do so?
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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I've already asked the following question, and NO one has answered it:

Women can get contraceptive services/supplies at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities where they're getting their abortions, or at one of the likely much closer 14,000+ publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide. That would eliminate the need for having so many abortions in the first place, so why don't they do so?

Each individual would have to tell you themselves.
Go ask some, not us.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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The woman's rights trump the fetus. It's her body.
Why?

What is it that makes her body more important than the fetus?

What is it in your view that makes one human life more valuable than another?
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