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Old 07-09-2018, 03:14 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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That's because Planned Parenthood was founded as a means to reduce the minority population. Margaret Sanger was a racist and eugenicist (founder of The Negro Project), and Planned Parenthood has continued in that same vein for all these years. Minorities are indeed targeted for abortion. Black women have a 5 times higher abortion rate than White women, and for Latina women it's 2 times higher. All that despite the fact that, as I already noted, women can get contraceptive services/supplies at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities where they're getting their abortions, or at one of the likely much closer 14,000+ publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide.

Abortion's Racial Gap - The Atlantic
No, Sanger was of Irish descent herself, & worked as a nurse in the tenements. She was concerned to put family planning information into the hands of women/families with too many children in too short a timespan. She was not a racist, & I don't think she was a eugenicist - but she always spoke whenever & wherever she could to raise funds & awareness of the issues.

The Negro Project is an old twisting of the facts - look up the original documentation @ the college that has her papers, or on any reliable news source.

Planned Parenthood has always located near their service population - essentially, these days, the inner cities. That's who they serve - Sanger always figured the wealthy or @ least well-to-do could manage their own affairs well enough. They didn't need the services of Planned Parenthood.

Sanger herself was always opposed to abortion. She felt that a woman who didn't want to raise the baby could always put it up for adoption.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I can't believe we are still having this argument in 2018. Whether or not a fetus is a "life" isn't the question. The real question is whether the female should have a say in what happens to her body. A fetus' rights don't trump the rights of a woman who is upright and breathing.

An abortion is a medical procedure and any person should have the right to control what happens to his or her body medically.
^^^^^^^^^^^^ This.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Up schist creek?

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Correctly? Or, did the condom break/slip (highly unreliable method, anyway)? Did they miss a day or two of taking the pill? Did they take antibiotics along with being on the pill (which reduces efficacy) and fail to use a back-up contraceptive method? Women need to do a MUCH better job of controlling their own fertility.
& if not, you & the state will be right there with speculum right up the whazzo, hm? (Please note - that's not where pregnancy takes place, @ least not normally, to my knowledge.)
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:11 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Check the map.

2010 Census results reveal that Planned Parenthood is targeting minority neighborhoods. 79% of its surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods.

http://www.protectingblacklife.org/p...ets/index.html
Planned Parenthood since Sanger - locates near the population they mean to serve. When Sanger started what became PP, that was ethnic tenements in the big cities. TMK, PP hasn't moved - it's remained next to what used to be tenements & are now usually generalized as inner cities - where Blacks, Hispanics, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans & other populations in need of PP services live. The walking distance note is important - transportation is difficult for a lot of PP's customers.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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What a pig. Cancelling Netflix right now.


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Old 07-09-2018, 04:21 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I can't speak for the OP but I can't fathom how anyone calling themselves human with a heart can think killing an unborn child is an acceptable remedy for their "ailment".
It is an unborn fetus. It's not a child - or @ least not a legal person - per Roe v. Wade - until it's born & viable.

I don't know that anyone takes abortion lightly - & I seriously doubt that the pregnant woman treats it all as a lark - even when performed early in the pregnancy, @ its safest point - it's still a surgical intervention in the body.

Sanger herself was opposed to abortion - she thought the woman should carry to term.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I also have qualms with the fetal homicide laws. If women can kill a fetus, that same right should apply to everyone. Equal Protections Clause.
Straw fetus, is it?
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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It is an unborn fetus. It's not a child - or @ least not a legal person - per Roe v. Wade - until it's born & viable.

I don't know that anyone takes abortion lightly - & I seriously doubt that the pregnant woman treats it all as a lark - even when performed early in the pregnancy, @ its safest point - it's still a surgical intervention in the body.

Sanger herself was opposed to abortion - she thought the woman should carry to term.
I don't care what roe v wade says. That's nothing more than an appeasement to conscience. It was a life before r v w said it wasn't and it still is.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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That's fine as long as she is the only one involved. When it involves a baby, it becomes someone's responsibility to protect him/her from their own mother.
Nope, a fetus is not a baby - @ least, not in the eyes of Roe v. Wade.

As for someone's responsibility to protect him/her from their own mother - Please read that over a couple of times, until the absurdity of what you're saying sinks in. Should we then lock up pregnant women who have expressed a desire for an abortion?
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:32 PM
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It is an unborn fetus. It's not a child - or @ least not a legal person - per Roe v. Wade - until it's born & viable.

I don't know that anyone takes abortion lightly - & I seriously doubt that the pregnant woman treats it all as a lark - even when performed early in the pregnancy, @ its safest point - it's still a surgical intervention in the body.

Sanger herself was opposed to abortion - she thought the woman should carry to term.
You haven't been around pregnant women much then! Being in the medical field for 40 years - not only have I run into 11 yr olds that were pregnant but woman who admitted as many as 8 abortions. Before taking an xray we had to ask if they had been sexually active - the date of their last period and if there was any chance they were pregnant. Sometimes those who had multiple abortions wore it like a badge of honor and didn't realize what a tramp they looked like.

And unfortunately - 2 of the girls I knew that had abortions - had no concern for the baby they carried - just if their boyfriend would break up with them for cheating.
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