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Old 07-10-2018, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Boston
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they chose between paying what they owe or having the power cut off. They chose no power. What's the story here?
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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They are are sold that way. Sadly it is not all covered by insurance and battery back ups can be expensive out of pocket and not all people can afford them.
Admittedly a bit off topic but my curiosity led me to go search.

I could not find one tank regulator that was AC/DC. Did find one that used batteries .
Can't even imagine the usefulness since tanks are used for portability so my curiosity remains
(Unless the battery operated ones plug in to recharge the batteries)
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The power company should have a record of everyone who has lifesaving equipment like this. My mom had an oxygen tank while under hospice care at home, and the utility company was notified. This also makes you a priority in the event of a blackout.

I'm sure there will be a lawsuit.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Show me an oxygen tank that's "powered by electricity".
Should we show you how to conduct a Google search?

Just because you've never seen one doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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The lady was old enough, she would have been on Medicare which provides oxygen, tanks and concentrators? I'm assuming she did have coverage since she was on ?
Possibly a wrong assumption?
The concentrators generally can support higher levels than the tanks.

Medicare takes the route of lowest cost per patient and will supply the concentrator and a few tanks for portability but not unlimited oxygen tanks.


The flow rate of concentrator is between 0.5 and 10L/min. Each liter per minute can concentrate an addition 3% of oxygen. So 10 l/min can increase concentration by 33%. Normal room air oxygen is 21%. So the max a concentrator can provide is 21+33 = 54% or so. This is more than enough for home use purposes where the usual rate is 2 L/minute. But in a hospital setting sometimes you need 90 or even 100% oxygen. That can only be provided from liquid oxygen in tanks, not concentrators.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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Admittedly a bit off topic but my curiosity led me to go search.

I could not find one tank regulator that was AC/DC. Did find one that used batteries .
Can't even imagine the usefulness since tanks are used for portability so my curiosity remains
(Unless the battery operated ones plug in to recharge the batteries)
So my uncles tank is not portable (he is saving to buy a portable one, which will run him $3500 out of pocket). The tank he has attaches to the breathing apparatus which needs to be plugged in to work. It has a long hose/tube allowing him to move freely around his house. There are battery packs one can buy to plug the apparatus into for emergency as well as for people who have portable tanks.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Just because the article said tank,does not mean it was a normal tank. Today rather than than old fashioned tanks concentraters are the norm. The tank does not have to be changed regularly. Tanks are much more dangerous to use, as if each change is not done properly. Using concentraters are much less expensive to use than tanks, and insurance companies including medicare pay for them. They do not have to be constantly monitored to see how soon they have to be changed.

I know something about this, as I have to use 1 at night. We bought a portable one on wheels that operates on 110 power, 12 volt power to use in a car, and lithium batteries rechargeable of course we use when traveling away from home.

In fact I don't know anyone still using old fashioned tanks. Much safer now, without having to change tanks. You can assume that as electricity was needed it was not old fashioned tanks. The reporter just did not know the right name.
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Hers was powered by Electricity





(A person died here.Some of you all are a real compassionate bunch. And you are surprised when a British person starts a thread wondering why we all hate each other so much in America.)
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Should we show you how to conduct a Google search?

Just because you've never seen one doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'll post this again, since so many of you obviously missed it. Which doesn't surprise me since most people don't read any further than the headline.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/healt...rnd/index.html

The article shows a picture of her oxygen tank, which clearly is just a tank and not a concentrator. It just blows my mind how far you guys will go to ignore facts in order to defend the alleged victim.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:09 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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I'll post this again, since so many of you obviously missed it. Which doesn't surprise me since most people don't read any further than the headline.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/healt...rnd/index.html

The article shows a picture of her oxygen tank, which clearly is just a tank and not a concentrator. It just blows my mind how far you guys will go to ignore facts in order to defend the alleged victim.
It seems to me that the additional problem was the high temperatures that day. Odd that the family never complained about not having an air conditioner or fan running (due to a lack of electricity) in order to help cool her off.

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Temperatures that day in Newark, where Daniels lived, were as high as 91.

"We were getting ice and putting ice on her, fanning her, trying to make it cool, but we couldn't pump the oxygen," said her daughter, Desiree Washington.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:14 AM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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(A person died here.Some of you all are a real compassionate bunch. And you are surprised when a British person starts a thread wondering why we all hate each other so much in America.)
I don't hate this family, I just have no compassion for idiots who might be suing the electric company over a situation that was entirely the family's fault.

Again, if there had been a power outage in the area because of the heatwave and everyone overloading the power grid with the use of their air conditioners, this exact same situation would have happened.

You call 911 right away and have her be taken ASAP to the hospital's ER waiting room in order to be in air conditioned comfort and with access to electricity and medical personnel.

You don't waste time arguing on the phone with the electric company.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I'll post this again, since so many of you obviously missed it. Which doesn't surprise me since most people don't read any further than the headline.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/healt...rnd/index.html

The article shows a picture of her oxygen tank, which clearly is just a tank and not a concentrator. It just blows my mind how far you guys will go to ignore facts in order to defend the alleged victim.

Yes, it does and it was already said they used a tank after the power went off so that doesn't mean anything
In fact, if she was that severe, she wouldn't have been using just a tank and would certainly have had more of them in the house since they run out in a matter of hours unless it was HUGE
That does remind me, since she had oxygen a call to the supplier would also have worked
Some other information here has simply not been accurate but that what makes CD so entertaining

And for Ohiogirl81, yes, please do a search and find one for me since I haven't been able to

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