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a. the welfare state is state sanctioned theft and should be eliminated.
b. borders and citizenship are statist concepts that should be eliminated.
They are not smart enough to understand that you can't do "b" without first doing "a", otherwise disaster will be the result. All they understand is that if they get "b" without getting "a" at least they're getting one of the items on their list, so it must be a good thing. This is why even though they understand that they will probably never get "a", they still support "b", and to hell with the consequences. This realization was the first thing that helped me understand that I am not a libertarian, and I'm glad I'm not. They have some good ideas, but not a lick of sense.
You could kill both birds with the same stone by simply eliminating the State. No more welfare State, no more artificial borders created by the State.
Libertarians believe in neo-feudalism though. They view property rights as more important than democracy and human rights. Just like the landed elite and lords of feudal medieval times with their huge properties and their private armies.
Abolishing the borders in order to create a permanent oligarchy and ensuring that the worker bees have no rights and fight between themselves for the scraps given to them is just a natural part of the right wing ideology. The billionaire class here in America fund this ideology, largely absent in the rest of the world, because they have been able to convince a substantial section of the population that the only potentially democratic institution we have; the government, is evil and must be destroyed. According to this theory, super rich private property owners should be allowed to do what they want, without interference from democracy, and use their private thugs to enforce it.
Are you suggesting that you aren't living in an plutocratic oligarchy right now?
LOl on the OP link, I agree with the poster - typical Libertarian stuff. On the conversation below:
What evidence do you have have that Libertarians have high IQs.
FWIW I do think Libertarians are more trusting and optimistic about how humans can behave but their naivete on the history of humanity in regards to how we actually live our lives in comparison to a Libertarian-esque (especially anarcho-libertarian-esque) society shows for me that they don't have a lot of ability to deal with reality.
I'll note that if any IQ assessment shows that they are more intelligent, that provides additional incentives for me to further not consider IQ assessment as proof of anything in regards to intelligence lol.
LOL. Says the person who believes in the egalitarianism through statistm approach.
Well, that was interesting. I'm not much for libertarianism, but this writer at least takes his stance to a logical conclusion that may not ultimately benefit him, and that's praiseworthy.
He frames the idea of citizenship in a way that I hadn't really considered before. And yes, it is logical... nutty, insidious, evil... but logical.
Bottom line: I'm not willing to give up the hereditary privileges my family and I enjoy as citizens of the United States and Japan. Nor to I want to share citizen status with others unless I think it will benefit my family and my fellow current citizens.
I'll note that if any IQ assessment shows that they are more intelligent, that provides additional incentives for me to further not consider IQ assessment as proof of anything in regards to intelligence lol.
That is true if don't do well in IQ assessments then you don't believe in them. Just like when polls show your favorite politician is not popular you don't believe in them either. There have been very detailed assessments on critical thinking and IQ and Libertarians are at the top, Republicans on the bottom. And there is some sense to that if you can't think beyond the two major flawed parties then your critical thinking skills are not that good. You accept mediocrity.
I believe in most libertarian ideals but immigration is not one of them. When one country is handing out all sorts of goodies and the other one is not of course people are going to flock to where there is a free lunch. That is happening now with some border security. Imagine if it was a free for all with totally open borders. You create a true libertarians society and then open the borders half of the left will flock to Latin America. Look the have a socialist president about to take over. It would be paradise to them. It is the great society that has created the immigration problem, perpetuated poverty in the inner cities and bankrupted out government.
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