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Old 07-11-2018, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Perhaps we should send all our criminals to Mexico.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Nope, wrong proportions

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He has no choice. Mexico and Guatemala rely on remittances from the people that come here illegally. It's most of their economy.

Come here, work under the table, send money back but fly the flag of the country that kicked you to the curb. Insanity.
No, but the remittances are a fair percentage of their respective incomes. See Remittances to Latin America, Caribbean hit record highs in 2016 | Pew Research Center

"Among Latin American and Caribbean countries, Mexico has long received the highest amount of remittances. In 2016, $28.6 billion in remittances flowed to Mexico (up 9.3% from the previous year) – a total that accounted for over a third of remittances to all of Latin America and the Caribbean. After Mexico, Guatemala ($7.5 billion), the Dominican Republic ($5.5 billion) and Colombia ($4.9 billion) received the highest amounts of remittances in the Latin America and Caribbean region in 2016."

Per https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-year-are-sent

"In 2015, remittances sent to Mexico totaled 2.3 percent of the country’s GDP, the data showed."

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala#Economy


"Remittances from Guatemalans living in United States now constitute the largest single source of foreign income (two thirds of exports and one tenth of GDP).[166]" - from CIA World Factbook, Guatemala, July 2011

(My emphasis - see the URLs for detail)
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:25 PM
 
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The Democrat party agrees with the president of Mexico, but luckily the Democrats have lost the long game with regards to the SCOTUS and we will now be seeing a return to a court, which will rule in favor of the Constitution and not how the left feels at any given moment. Not only will the monstrosity of abortion be impacted by this, but almost all areas of leftist disruption will be corrected.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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This guy is nuts . Instead of fixing the big problems in his country .

He says
“: "We will defend... the migrants of the world who, by necessity, have to leave their villages to seek life in the United States; it is a human right that we will defend." ”

This is nuts ... we have our own problems here we need to focus on American citizens not bringing in more poor migrants .. there are billions of poor we have an obligation to let them all come in ?

He’s also a leftist that wants to make things tougher for businesses which will likely encourage more people to try to come here illegally .

This guy is bad news ...

Get ready for a surge of illegal migration courtesy of Mexico's new president | TheHill
We depend on misfortune to build up our force of migratory workers and when the supply is low because there is not enough misfortune at home, we rely on misfortune abroad to replenish the supply.
~President Harry S. Truman, 1951
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:15 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Yeah true it’s 10s of billions that leave the U.S and never return.
Why would remittances to Mexico from Mexican nationals working in the US never return to the US? They're sending money either to meet living expenses of relatives - typically the immediate family; or to accumulate capital to set up a business back in Mexico; or a combination. This is money flowing to lower income segments of Mexico (the case I know best).

If it's just subsistence money, then it goes into the Mexican national economy - helping buy whatever they import - POL, it looks like. & some of that comes from the US (the US, Canada & Mexico form NAFTA - a trading bloc). See https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/mex/

"The top exports of Mexico are Cars ($34B), Vehicle Parts ($27.7B), Delivery Trucks ($25.1B), Computers ($22B) and Telephones ($17.9B), using the 1992 revision of the HS (Harmonized System) classification. Its top imports are Vehicle Parts ($22.8B), Refined Petroleum ($16.9B), Integrated Circuits ($14.2B), Computers ($10.8B) and Cars ($10.2B).

"The top export destinations of Mexico are the United States ($289B), Canada ($23B), China ($7.42B), Germany ($5.5B) and Japan ($5.38B). The top import origins are the United States ($179B), China ($63.7B), Japan ($15.5B), Germany ($13.2B) and South Korea ($12.3B)." - this is for 2016.

(My emphasis. More @ the URL)
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:21 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Bottom line mr nieto


sees immigration as a right -which makes sense if you think about it since we do not enforce our laws ever
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:24 PM
 
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For which we get cheap , dependable hard working labor in return. Both sides in this debate have valid points. We need to control illegal immigration . But we need the labor. So we need to find a way to make it easier to get work visas . People who claim Americans will fill the jobs are delusional . My hometown of 100,000 is so desperate that employers are taking out billboard ads, posting on FB, and putting flyers up asking for workers. But it still has a 3% unemployment rate as companies beg for workers . We have to have the workers or our economy will suffer, especially the construction industry , which is one of the main drivers of the economy .
Then perhaps the pay is too low?
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:25 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I make of it that he will encourage poor Mexicans to come to America, and will allow Central Americans to pass through. So, nothing new or different than the last several Mexican presidents
No, the US supports Mexico's border control & policing with monies, supplies, training - to help them secure their southern border & improve the transparency of their police & border control, antidrug efforts, anti-smuggling efforts. We can't force Mexico's policy in these areas, but we certainly won't subsidize their efforts if they don't make any effort to move forward in these subjects.

See https://www.reference.com/government...238a7e5dd87a09 -

"In 2018, the U.S. government will give Mexico $87,660,000 in foreign aid. The largest segment, 56 percent, will go toward peace and security. The second largest segment will go toward democracy, human rights and governance.

(My emphasis - there's a further breakdown in amounts & purposes @ the URL)
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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How about just invading all the countries north of South America and declaring them colonies. That way we can deploy troops to exterminate all the drug cartels and open those countries up to development.
Sure, like that would work. We (the US) actually debated annexing Mexico @ the end of the Mexican American War - & because of its physical size, big population, lots of Native Peoples, lots of Roman Catholics (which was probably the official religion there @ the time) - we decided against it. We've intervened in Mexico, Latin America & the Caribbean various times, of course.

Yah, there are problems of government & culture there - but I don't think we can institute good government @ bayonet point - look how well that half-effort turned out in Iraq, Afghanistan, ...
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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Shouldn’t they want to keep their citizens from leaving the country? Mexico is a mess right now, their violence is spiraling.
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