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Old 07-13-2018, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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Boycott the German car companies.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Boycott the German car companies.
No.
Simply start closing our bases down. Stop subsidizing their military. Our bases bring a lot of money into their local economy.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:19 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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We keep military bases around the world to make sure the fight stays on foreign soil. Every incursion into the Middle East has been under the banner of “fight them over there instead of over here”. If you think we have bases all over the world to protect the nations they’re in, you’re naive in the extreme. Overseas bases are ALL about the projection of the US military around the world. Almost every bullet, every drone, every plane, and every soldier has gone in to Iraq and Afghanistan through Ramstein. Image if we had to pack that up and go home.
Get real.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Pretty much every US president has tried to get NATO to pay more. Last was Obama who got them to agree to the 2% goal by 2024. The OPs article explains why Trump's approach is a dangerous / reckless one.

The contributions from each member is to maintain their own national defense, which US will do with or without NATO. The other nations do as well, they just don't pour as much money into it.
There is no 'contribution' to NATO that isn't being met.

The gripe that the USA has is that other allies aren't spending enough of their own money on their own military budget.

That's not a contribution to NATO -- that's upping their own
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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"We cannot continue to pay for the military protection of Europe while the NATO states are not paying their fair share"

Great!

Presidents has been saying that for a while. Obama persuaded them to raise to the 2% GDP threshold.

Hopefully Trump will use this to slash the Pentagon's bloated budget (he won't, he's just farting in the wind).
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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Imagine that. The headline reads like something Trump would say that is outraging the Left but there it is a quote from a very popular Democrat President.
Everyone knows that the other countries should spend more, and that we (the USA) spend too much. No secret.

All of the NATO states have been working up toward the new goals, set in Wales when Obama was president. The deadline is up ahead, and Trump has not achieved anything more than Obama did, he changed nothing at all but unnecessarily offended a lot of people like a real jack ass.

Trump is blowing up our alliances, that's the problem. It's as if he has a death wish for our country.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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No.
Simply start closing our bases down. Stop subsidizing their military. Our bases bring a lot of money into their local economy.
But be clear -- the USA doesn't want to get out of Europe.

You know that right?
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It’s just funny how U.S. Presidents have been saying this same thing for the last 6 decades, and yet next to nothing has been done about it.
That’s not true at all most countries have been gradually moving towards 2%, like you say Trump isn’t the first to raise the issue. He insulted countries and that was unnecessary.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Get us out of NATO. Germany is now Russia's best friend.
Second best. Trump is Russia's first.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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He insulted countries and that was unnecessary.
When your friends don't pay up, you have to get tough with them. That's the way it goes.

2% should be the bare minimum. And what about all those years they didn't meet the 2%? The pay should be retroactive.
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