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Old 07-14-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Same. Already most ambulance services are provided by private companies.

In reality, first responders, ER doctors, etc. will still provide service to people as they wouldn't want the publicity for simply letting someone die.
It if a firefighter got to the scene of a fire and said “that’s a black family’s house, I don’t want to go in” that is fine? Or if a EMT decides she doesn’t want to help the old white guy having a heart attack that should be their right?

With no consequences?
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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It if a firefighter got to the scene of a fire and said “that’s a black family’s house, I don’t want to go in” that is fine? Or if a EMT decides she doesn’t want to help the old white guy having a heart attack that should be their right?

With no consequences?
There should be competing firefighting and EMT companies; it would be well-known which companies refuse to serve which groups. Your scenario is highly unlikely anyway due to the type of person who is drawn to those types of jobs.

It also wouldn't be up to the individual employee, but the company which employs them. If their refusal to provide service goes against company policy, then they are in breach of their employment contract.

Many pizza restaurants don't deliver to certain neighborhoods.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:53 PM
 
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There should be competing firefighting and EMT companies; it would be well-known which companies refuse to serve which groups. Your scenario is highly unlikely anyway due to the type of person who is drawn to those types of jobs.

It also wouldn't be up to the individual employee, but the company which employs them. If their refusal to provide service goes against company policy, then they are in breach of their employment contract.

Many pizza restaurants don't deliver to certain neighborhoods.
But if they deliberately breach their contracts and someone dies, is it only a business deal or is criminal?
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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But if they deliberately breach their contracts and someone dies, is it only a business deal or is criminal?
It's a breach of contract with both their employer and their employer's customer. It's the job of an arbitrator to negotiate compensation.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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America was founded on freedom of religion. Not freedom of stupidity.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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It's a breach of contract with both their employer and their employer's customer. It's the job of an arbitrator to negotiate compensation.
So if someone refuses to do their job, a job they are contracted to do, and directly causes someone’s deaths here should be no criminal penalty? Basically you are saying people can cause others death as long as they pay for it.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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So if someone refuses to do their job, a job they are contracted to do, and directly causes someone’s deaths here should be no criminal penalty? Basically you are saying people can cause others death as long as they pay for it.
Breach of contract is not a criminal act, no matter the consequences. It is always a civil matter. However, if someone deliberately commits an act of aggression against someone's person or their property, then that is a criminal act.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: 53179
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It's called letting the free market work. Capitalism 101.
Right..any lowlife person can take advantage of the system. But just because it's their right to discriminate against people, doesn't mean I can't think what I want about them
Luckily most people are not like this. It's the selective few and they do stick out. And they do suffer the consequences as well. Which is great.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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Breach of contract is not a criminal act, no matter the consequences. It is always a civil matter. However, if someone deliberately commits an act of aggression against someone's person or their property, then that is a criminal act.
You aren’t following me.

Suppose you contract for a service like EMT. Your child has an accident and will die if they don’t receive immediate care. You call your contracted emt service and they look at you and decide not to treat your child and your child dies before you can get another service there. You really think the Mets who chose not to treat your child for whatever reason are not criminally responsible for choosing not to fulfill their duty to care for their customers?
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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It if a firefighter got to the scene of a fire and said “that’s a black family’s house, I don’t want to go in” that is fine? Or if a EMT decides she doesn’t want to help the old white guy having a heart attack that should be their right?

With no consequences?

We were in a small town in East Texas in the 90s and inside of a restaurant when a bell was ringing outside. When tourists like us started asking what that was all about someone explained, "that's a fire alarm---two shorts for the black neighborhood and two longs for the white side of town. No one's going to answer that one." Then he laughed. Made us sick and we came back north believing affirmative action-type laws really were still needed to help even the playing field.
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