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Old 07-15-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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I have noticed that many that desire to have abortion banned, also tend to argue against welfare for the indigent, and will express disgust at the belief (commonly held, but not really true) that poor women will have babies simply for the additional welfare money.



If the Court were to rule that life 'begins at conception', the financial implications are great. For instance, said welfare mom should be able to then immediately begin receiving additional welfare benefits for her child upon proof of pregnancy.



Food for thought.
I am pro-life but have condemned so many others for being pro-life but not pro-child also.

 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Kinda hard to tell anything when ya dead.
Most of them were not dead when they made it to the hospital.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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Ok, if it is not a life, only a potential life, why not leave it there?
Because the woman doesn't want it there? Would you want to be forced to give your body over for the better part of a year, risk health complications that could last a lifetime, as well as the painful and dangerous ordeal of giving birth if you don't want to do so, because I SAY SO?!

Yeah, it's so easy for you to decide that's what women must do, when you have absolutely no skin in the game.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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The death penalty actually saves lives. It keeps violent offenders from killing any more humans.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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https://www.liveaction.org/news/thou...ying-abortion/

The whole law is based on a lie.

"It was all a lie to push for legal abortion.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, a founder of NARAL, admitted that they fabricated how many women were dying from illegal abortion.
“There were perhaps 300 or so deaths from criminal abortions annually in the United States in the sixties,” he said, “but NARAL… claimed to have data that supported a figure of five thousand.”



"In the days leading up to the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion in America, pro-choice advocates claimed hundreds of thousands of women had died from illegal abortions. Because of this, several lawmakers voted to decriminalize abortion prior to Roe, and even today, some lawmakers are hesitant to outlaw it because of this lie. These statistics were invented by the same people who would profit from the procedure’s legalization.

False Claim #1: 5,000-10,000 women died annual from illegal abortion before Roe.

FACT: These statistics were made up. The real number was a mere fraction of this.



I personally knew on girl who almost did die. She had a backstreet abortion Dr give her some pills, they didn't work, so he induced labor. She aborted, and a few days later collapsed. Rushed her to the hospital, and they had to do an emergency D and C, and it was touch and go for a while.

So yes, women did die and almost die many times, regardless of what your pro life agenda tells you.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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The death penalty actually saves lives. It keeps violent offenders from killing any more humans.
The vast majority of people who get the death sentence spend 20 years or more there and never kill anyone else. You would be hard pressed to even find an example.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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Well. technically it was Flavor-aid, grape to be exact, and most of those people were forced at gun point to drink it. Also, 900 of the lives lost that day were children. I take your point though that I am either incapable or unwilling, at this point in time, to come to my own conclusions.

Since you brought God into this I was wondering how you square away the high rate of spontaneous abortions.

Most clinically apparent miscarriages (two-thirds to three-quarters in various studies) occur during the first trimester.[1][29][44][45] About 30% to 40% of all fertilized eggs miscarry, often before the pregnancy is known.[1] The embryo typically dies before the pregnancy is expelled; bleeding into the decidua basalis and tissue necrosis causes uterine contractions to expel the pregnancy.[45] Early miscarriages can be due to a developmental abnormality of the placenta or other embryonic tissues. In some instances an embryo does not form but other tissues do. This has been called a "blighted ovum".[42][46][47]

Successful implantation of the zygote into the uterus is most likely 8 to 10 days after conception. If the zygote has not implanted by day 10, implantation becomes increasingly unlikely in subsequent days.[48]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

Do you see zygote not implanting in a uterus the same as a baby dying?
You don't seem to understand. God gives life and ONLY God can take it. Not an abortionist or a woman who is paying an abortionist to take it.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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You don't seem to understand. God gives life and ONLY God can take it. Not an abortionist or a woman who is paying an abortionist to take it.
Unfortunately, anyone can take a life.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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You don't seem to understand. God gives life and ONLY God can take it. Not an abortionist or a woman who is paying an abortionist to take it.
What are you talking about? Of course human beings can perform abortions. You are making a judgement on behalf of the god you believe in and deciding that it applies to everyone, but that's not how it works. The United States has determined that abortion (with certain limitations) is lawful. We get it; you don't agree, but your opinion is simply that, an opinion.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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You don't seem to understand. God gives life and ONLY God can take it. Not an abortionist or a woman who is paying an abortionist to take it.
Your religious beliefs don't get to make the laws. I know this upsets you, but it's your problem, not ours.
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