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Old 07-17-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by gwynedd1 View Post
We should surrender to Russia. in 2015 no one dreamed Trump would be president but some how they knew. Its amazing isn't it, pouring vast amounts of resources into a seemingly unwinnable candidate? How did they do it? Its amazing the foresight they had. And then with just a few thousand dollars and some Facebook ads they rigged it all up.

With the GDP of Italy and a 1/10 of the military budget they have out gunned us and out witted us. Even with low world opinion, Russia just controls everything. I mean look at what Russia has done to us. Our economy is going well and military spending is up ....We are exactly where Russia wants us to be. ....

What next in the plan to destroy us, free booze?
Can't see the forest for the trees.

Putin hates democracies. Not his thing. His preference is dictatorships. You want free booze? He'll get you free booze--just please don't pay attention to the influence he has on our weak-kneed president. No way he could have manipulated Hillary, but Donny--easy pickings.

A few thousand dollars and 'some' FB ads? Sources?

 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
Rohrabacher has been friendly with Russian interests for decade or more
If he met with her once that he is admitting he met with her more times he isn't
Exactly!
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Bearing this in mind, here is the Occam’s Razor explanation of Maria Butina’s escapades:
(1) Maria Butina is a gal who loves money, politics, and guns.
(2) She was settling down in the US, because at least the guns and politics part (including conservative politics) are far easier and more fun to pursue in America than in Russia.
(3) Since she is presumably still a Russian patriot, a Putin supporter, and an Americanophile, she would have naturally loved for the US and Russia to get along.
Thinking ambitiously, this might have also held out the prospect of an extension of American soft power – that is, what she would see as its wholesome, conservative element – into Russian politics. If this scenario had panned out, she might even have become… an “American agent” in Russia.
(4) Trump was the only Presidential candidate talking of improving relations with Russia – and he was a honest to goodness nationalist to boot!
(5) And her trump card into American politics? Her “Kremlin Connection.” Even though Torshin is nowhere near Putin’s inner circle.
Unfortunately, there was also a sixth part that she failed to account for:
(6) The US is also substantially run by gray bureaucrats, spies, and policemen – the Deep State – and they need to keep the Russiagate narrative going at any cost, since they have invested so much into it.
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/mueller-h...hts-activists/
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: FL
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U.S. grand jury indicts woman on charges of being Russian agent
A U.S. grand jury returned an indictment against a Russian woman on Tuesday, and added a charge accusing her of acting as a Russian government agent while developing ties with American citizens and infiltrating political groups.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-grand-j...215606396.html
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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I might suggest you go read the supporting affidavit. The narrative you suggest *might* fit into it, but I find that doubtful.

Plus gun ownership ala the NRA is not even remotely a thing in Russia. So this is a hilariously insane theory on her. Plus if you read some of the affidavit you will quickly find this narrative falls apart. She even asks for new orders post election.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
Ok, so they are unregistered foreign lobbyists?

Well, I guess the DOJ really wants to keep "Russian" and "indicted" in the headlines.
That would be Flynn, sure appears that she was a spy. Connecting GOP congressmen to the Kremlin is not considered lobbying. She appears in court tomorrow.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 09:36 PM
 
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I might suggest you go read the supporting affidavit. The narrative you suggest *might* fit into it, but I find that doubtful.

Plus gun ownership ala the NRA is not even remotely a thing in Russia. So this is a hilariously insane theory on her. Plus if you read some of the affidavit you will quickly find this narrative falls apart. She even asks for new orders post election.
The GRU found a way to "hack" into the gut of the GOP by getting sweet with the NRA--
These people are so arrogant and so afraid of change they would screw a snake if it mean keeping their hold on the GOP --
If a Russian oligarch is going to throw money their way and tell them what they want to hear about the glory of guns and GOP politics then they are certainly up for that...
They were likely creaming to think they were going to "win over" one of Putin's strong men and be able to prove how their "philosophy" was so great that even Russians could see the benefit...

Just stupid old white men...who hear what they wanted to hear, had a pretty girl flirting with them, and got over 250K to use funding races for their supporters....everybody loves free money...
 
Old 07-17-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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That would be Flynn, sure appears that she was a spy. Connecting GOP congressmen to the Kremlin is not considered lobbying. She appears in court tomorrow.
Bail hearing--her attorney was falling over his feet to impress the judge with how honest she was, how she testified before a Congressional hearing (run by GOP), how she has a townhouse, how she was so well adjusted to America she was no flight risk...

The judge--thanks but no thanks---no bail...
 
Old 07-17-2018, 09:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
The noose is tightening. . .
I wonder what color he'll turn when his fake orange is mixed with his blood red?
 
Old 07-18-2018, 02:01 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Thumbs up Russian national indicted on two charges, including acting as a foreign agent

A federal grand jury formally approved a criminal indictment of Maria Butina with two charges, conspiracy and acting as a foreign agent.

Butina will appear at a hearing Wednesday in Washington, DC, following the news Monday that the Department of Justice was charging Butina with one charge of conspiracy, but had not yet gone to grand jury.
Butina is a Russian national and gun rights activist who was arrested Sunday and is facing criminal charges for acting as a foreign agent in the US.

The Russian national stands accused of working with her mentor, Alexander Torshin, to develop "back channel" communication with US politicians, according to an FBI affidavit.


Arrested Russian National Has Clear Ties To Trump Family
Maria Butina, the Russian national who was arrested for infiltrating the NRA and attempting to use her power to sway US politics, has very clear ties to the Trump family and once offered to set up a communication line between Trump and Putin. Mother Jones also uncovered footage from a 2015 Trump rally where Butina posed as a simple audience member and got Trump to say he’d lift sanctions on Russia. She became a member of the NRA kind of worked her way through that organization, meeting people. She attended White House prayer breakfasts and all kind of events in Washington DC where she met and interacted with very high profile people within the NRA and the Republican party.
Those two points are very important. It was the NRA and the Republican party. This woman was not out there meeting with Democrats. She was not trying to use them to influence US politics. It was strictly through the NRA and through the Republican party.
https://trofire.com/2018/07/17/arres...-trump-family/


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