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That's still stealing jobs from native-born workers, isn't it? As for "free stuff", a lot of illegals support themselves too. Half the farms and ranches in the border states* wouldn't find enough labor if they had to hire only immigrants - especially hand-picking produce. Over $100 million in produce ended up rotting in those farmer's fields in those states alone. Similar story goes for dairy farms.
So even assuming illegals get "freebees" from the government, they taxpayers (even legal residents) are more than compensated from cheaper food at the grocery store. Not to mention illegals who are construction workers help keep up the supply of new houses, which keeps homes from being even more expensive than they already are.
Nothing in life is free. Certainly no GOOD thing in life is free (even non-"freebees"). You have to figure out all the prices of the product before accepting that product. Same thing goes for the opportunity costs of rejecting that bad before you reject that bad (i.e which is the lesser of the bads?).
The only way out of the illegal immigration issue I can see is to loosen up the "quotas" for foreign immigrants and/or guest workers. I say that so long as American citizens refuse to do their backbreaking low wage work (which will be a LONG time as the AL and GA examples show) then we simply have to raise the allowable numbers of immigrants to this country - and by a considerable amount besides. It's either that or the same old song and dance of (a) granting amnesty and (b) US citizens refusing to do the said grunt work that drives the demand for illegals in the first place.
*See Georgia and Alabama for details. They even tried convict labor, but even that still wasn't competent enough (totally independent of desire) to pick stuff quickly and efficiently.
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"It might have been illegal"
what does that mean? they don't know for sure so they're making something up?
They're making something up. All the author of that story had to do was look up the immigration laws from that time period, which that author probably did and then dismissed it since it didn't help push his agenda.
"This then lead to the second historically significant component of the Act. Upon inquiry of the vessels transporting immigrants, immigration officials were given the authority to expel certain immigrants based on criteria laid out within the Act. The legislation dictated that "If on such examination there shall be found among such passengers any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any person unable to take care of him or herself without becoming a public charge, they shall report the same in writing to the collector of such port, and such person shall not be permitted to land." Furthermore, if a criminal was found to be on board, it was the fiscal responsibility of the ship that brought the immigrant there to take them back out of the United States. The criminal provision of the act did not include immigrants who were "convicted of political offenses, reflecting the traditional American belief that the United States is a haven for those persecuted by foreign tyrants.""
The takeaways ...
"any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any person unable to take care of him or herself without becoming a public charge...and such person shall not be permitted to land"
And
"The criminal provision of the act did not include immigrants who were "convicted of political offenses""
Highly doubtful that grandfather Trump was a lunatic, idiot or couldn't take care of himself, and, immigration turned a blind eye to those with convictions of political offenses .. so it seems that grandfather Trump was a legal immigrant.
Why does the OP and many on the left hate legal immigrants?
besides trump, there have been a number of presidents with no military service
barack obama
bill clinton
FDR
herbert hoover
calvin coolidge
warren g harding
woodrow wilson
grover cleveland
martin van buren
john quincy adams
john adams
Germans were desirable immigrants because they were insatiably self sufficient and productive citizens. To suckle the teat of government, social programs, or anything else beyond themselves was incomprehensible; like the concept didn't even exist.
Hmm, apparently it was OK for a 16 year old barely skilled (even for that day and age) German, and one sickly and unfit for military service besides, to come to the US illegally. How come it's not OK for able-bodied, able-minded Mexican, Central American, etc. in good health to enter illegally? What COULD be the difference between a German and a Mexican and/or Central American?
You want lax border control similar to the 1880s? Fine, let’s also revert to an open economic model too to coincide. We would have to do away with the welfare state, workers’ protections, the minimum wage, etc. A country cannot have both open borders and a welfare state.
https://www.history.com/news/donald-...other-ancestry
Hmm, apparently it was OK for a 16 year old barely skilled (even for that day and age) German, and one sickly and unfit for military service besides, to come to the US illegally. How come it's not OK for able-bodied, able-minded Mexican, Central American, etc. in good health to enter illegally? What COULD be the difference between a German and a Mexican and/or Central American?
So...I guess Trump's grandfather must be wincing in his grave at the way Trump is ignoring his heritage?
Are you seriously comparing American immigration circa 1885 to today, 2018, 133 years later? Do you not see the flaws within this attempt at a point?!
I'd be all for going back to a more open immigration system, if we were to also open up the labor market to free competition for all (not only illegals) and eliminating the welfare system.
Hmm, apparently it was OK for a 16 year old barely skilled (even for that day and age) German, and one sickly and unfit for military service besides, to come to the US illegally. How come it's not OK for able-bodied, able-minded Mexican, Central American, etc. in good health to enter illegally? What COULD be the difference between a German and a Mexican and/or Central American?
If your parents or ancestors entered before about 1924, they were generally not considered illegal. There were no entry or immigration visas then. There was no real laws barring just about anyone from showing up and entering the country before then. Your whole premise is false.
His ancestor arriving in 1883 will almost or could count as old stock American.
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Bull crap, you say
