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Old 07-17-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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First of all, IMHO, if Russia indeed meddled in our election to help Trump and Trump knew about it, it was simply Trump using them to get more dirt on Hillary, not him becoming a Russian puppet. None of Trump's policies are benefiting Russia at the expense of America. (while Hillary's presidency would have benefited Mexico, Central American countries, China, and India and foreign nationals living illegally in the US). Even if Trump colluded, it was a means to an end. Trump is the first president in my memory to truly put America and American citizens first. While the liberals and Democrats want to help illegal immigrants and benefit the economies of the Third World at American expense such as through NAFTA, which was designed to export US jobs to Mexico to boost the Mexican economy.

Also I don't see Russia as an enemy of the US. Any problems we have with them in the post-USSR world is us picking a fight with them. The only competition with them is geopolitically for political influence. Russia isn't going to launch an unprovoked military attack on the US and Russia has not stolen many jobs from us the way China, Mexico, and India have. Russian companies aren't buying up our businesses and properties like Chinese, Japanese, European and even Canadian companies have. (recall the other thread on who really owns Popeyes, Burger King, Budweiser, etc). Russia is neither an economic nor military threat to the US.

Islamic terrorists, Mexican drug cartels, and illegal immigrants pose a FAR greater threat to American lives and prosperity than Russia. If anything, we should be cooperating more with Russia in the fight against Muslim terrorism. The Russians have done a lot to fight ISIS in Syria, more than Obama has done.

We need to recognize that Russia has its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and the USSR and that the Western Hemisphere is our sphere of influence. If anything, its China, not Russia, whose expansionism can potentially threaten US interests since East Asia is an economically critical part of the world. It really doesn't affect us if Russia interferes with Syria or sends its troops into Ukraine, Georgia, etc as long as they respect NATO's current borders. I think its a good thing that Russia is helping Assad win the Syrian war because that's the quickest way to peace. As bad as Assad is, he's a secular dictator, preferable to radical jihadists in power. Rather have an evil but rational leader there, than an evil and fanatical leader like Iran or an evil and mentally unstable leader like Kim Jong Un.

As for the left wing, Obama's people openly meddled in Israel's election in an attempt to get Benjamin Netanyahu defeated, and they failed in doing so. And while its less direct than the meddling in Israel, left wing forces from the United States also tried to discourage Brexit and promote the yes vote in the abortion referendum in Ireland.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:05 PM
 
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First of all, IMHO, if Russia indeed meddled in our election to help Trump and Trump knew about it, it was simply Trump using them to get more dirt on Hillary, not him becoming a Russian puppet. None of Trump's policies are benefiting Russia at the expense of America. (while Hillary's presidency would have benefited Mexico, Central American countries, China, and India and foreign nationals living illegally in the US). Even if Trump colluded, it was a means to an end. Trump is the first president in my memory to truly put America and American citizens first. While the liberals and Democrats want to help illegal immigrants and benefit the economies of the Third World at American expense such as through NAFTA, which was designed to export US jobs to Mexico to boost the Mexican economy.

Also I don't see Russia as an enemy of the US. Any problems we have with them in the post-USSR world is us picking a fight with them. The only competition with them is geopolitically for political influence. Russia isn't going to launch an unprovoked military attack on the US and Russia has not stolen many jobs from us the way China, Mexico, and India have. Russian companies aren't buying up our businesses and properties like Chinese, Japanese, European and even Canadian companies have. (recall the other thread on who really owns Popeyes, Burger King, Budweiser, etc). Russia is neither an economic nor military threat to the US.

Islamic terrorists, Mexican drug cartels, and illegal immigrants pose a FAR greater threat to American lives and prosperity than Russia. If anything, we should be cooperating more with Russia in the fight against Muslim terrorism. The Russians have done a lot to fight ISIS in Syria, more than Obama has done.

We need to recognize that Russia has its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and the USSR and that the Western Hemisphere is our sphere of influence. If anything, its China, not Russia, whose expansionism can potentially threaten US interests since East Asia is an economically critical part of the world. It really doesn't affect us if Russia interferes with Syria or sends its troops into Ukraine, Georgia, etc as long as they respect NATO's current borders. I think its a good thing that Russia is helping Assad win the Syrian war because that's the quickest way to peace. As bad as Assad is, he's a secular dictator, preferable to radical jihadists in power. Rather have an evil but rational leader there, than an evil and fanatical leader like Iran or an evil and mentally unstable leader like Kim Jong Un.

As for the left wing, Obama's people openly meddled in Israel's election in an attempt to get Benjamin Netanyahu defeated, and they failed in doing so. And while its less direct than the meddling in Israel, left wing forces from the United States also tried to discourage Brexit and promote the yes vote in the abortion referendum in Ireland.
Yeah. That Nixon thought he was Sooo the best President for the American people that no crime was beyond his character s reach. An end justifies the means is only legitimate if EVERYONE is in on it.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:05 PM
 
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All politicians in all countries in all political parties are corrupt and use dirty politics to advance their cause. Can we stop with the faux outrage and pretending to be surprised by this?

And yes, before you say it, Trump is doing things that are troublesome, btu I question how many other politicians on both sides are doing similar but havn't been caught yet. Doesn't make it right, but I seriously question the reality that people think we live in where there are so many righteous politicians doing the "right" thing all the time. Maybe google the definition of the word Naive at this point.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:15 PM
 
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First of all, IMHO, if Russia indeed meddled in our election to help Trump and Trump knew about it, it was simply Trump using them to get more dirt on Hillary, not him becoming a Russian puppet. ...
Can you say 'Quid Pro Quo' ?

The New York State Department of Financial Services has accused Donald Trump of money laundering. Specifically the money of Russian criminals. He has been awash with Russian cash to invest in properties, which has helped him since most legitimate banks stopped lending to him some years ago.

He needs to end the sanctions on Russia, so he can repay his investors and reopen the taps. It was the very first thing he attempted to do when he took office.
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:02 PM
 
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Can you say 'Quid Pro Quo' ?

The New York State Department of Financial Services has accused Donald Trump of money laundering. Specifically the money of Russian criminals. He has been awash with Russian cash to invest in properties, which has helped him since most legitimate banks stopped lending to him some years ago.

I didn't know it was a crime to sell your house to a foreigner. I better tell the neighbors because Chinese are buying up all the houses locally and flipping them. Wouldn't want the neighbors to be charged with money laundering. By the way, aren't the people who are BUYING the property doing the money laundering?
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:09 PM
 
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First of all, IMHO, if Russia indeed meddled in our election to help Trump and Trump knew about it, it was simply Trump using them to get more dirt on Hillary, not him becoming a Russian puppet. None of Trump's policies are benefiting Russia at the expense of America. (while Hillary's presidency would have benefited Mexico, Central American countries, China, and India and foreign nationals living illegally in the US). Even if Trump colluded, it was a means to an end. Trump is the first president in my memory to truly put America and American citizens first. While the liberals and Democrats want to help illegal immigrants and benefit the economies of the Third World at American expense such as through NAFTA, which was designed to export US jobs to Mexico to boost the Mexican economy.

Also I don't see Russia as an enemy of the US. Any problems we have with them in the post-USSR world is us picking a fight with them. The only competition with them is geopolitically for political influence. Russia isn't going to launch an unprovoked military attack on the US and Russia has not stolen many jobs from us the way China, Mexico, and India have. Russian companies aren't buying up our businesses and properties like Chinese, Japanese, European and even Canadian companies have. (recall the other thread on who really owns Popeyes, Burger King, Budweiser, etc). Russia is neither an economic nor military threat to the US.

Islamic terrorists, Mexican drug cartels, and illegal immigrants pose a FAR greater threat to American lives and prosperity than Russia. If anything, we should be cooperating more with Russia in the fight against Muslim terrorism. The Russians have done a lot to fight ISIS in Syria, more than Obama has done.

We need to recognize that Russia has its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and the USSR and that the Western Hemisphere is our sphere of influence. If anything, its China, not Russia, whose expansionism can potentially threaten US interests since East Asia is an economically critical part of the world. It really doesn't affect us if Russia interferes with Syria or sends its troops into Ukraine, Georgia, etc as long as they respect NATO's current borders. I think its a good thing that Russia is helping Assad win the Syrian war because that's the quickest way to peace. As bad as Assad is, he's a secular dictator, preferable to radical jihadists in power. Rather have an evil but rational leader there, than an evil and fanatical leader like Iran or an evil and mentally unstable leader like Kim Jong Un.

As for the left wing, Obama's people openly meddled in Israel's election in an attempt to get Benjamin Netanyahu defeated, and they failed in doing so. And while its less direct than the meddling in Israel, left wing forces from the United States also tried to discourage Brexit and promote the yes vote in the abortion referendum in Ireland.
And yet in your heart of hearts, you know he's a puppet.
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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And yet in your heart of hearts, you know he's a puppet.
What has he done to promote Russian interests over American interests? His presidency has been about putting America First and liberals don't like that. The same liberals who want to sacrifice American jobs and safety to welcome the illegal alien parents and their kids on the border.

As for foreigners buying up property, its not a good thing but Trump is hardly the only person in NYC who has sold to foreigners given how many foriengers from everywhere buy real estate in NYC.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Breitbart? Kudos.


https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ssia-not-ally/
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