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Old 07-18-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Please provide that Huff counter argument link.
First Google
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0326c0a8d118d
You're welcome

You do realize that we agree on the $15 minimum wage right? Just pointing out how stilted the source was.

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Old 07-18-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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$15 Minimum Wage Wreaking Havoc on NYC Dining

It will settle out.

People deserve a living wage. If you want someone to cook for you or serve you at table be prepared to compensate them properly and treat them with respect ... or eat at home.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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From the article: "This minimum wage spike has forced several New York City businesses to shutter their doors and will claim many more victims soon."

The law has been in effect for two years already. Conservatives were saying that ANY increase to min wage would lead to massive business closures and layoffs. And here we are at "several..."

But I'm sure THIS increase is the one there's going to usher in the wave of closings and layoffs you've been wet-dreaming about.

Or maybe you can just stop hoping that people's lives will be ruined and start hoping that there's enough profit to go around to support a business AND its employees.
I don't understand the wet dream reference... who wants closings and layoffs?

ANY increase would not lead to layoffs - obviously going from $5.00 to $5.05 isn't going to do much harm.

But when companies are forced to double wages in a few years of time (or whenever it was $7.25) - that's not sustainable.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't understand the wet dream reference... who wants closings and layoffs?

ANY increase would not lead to layoffs - obviously going from $5.00 to $5.05 isn't going to do much harm.

But when companies are forced to double wages in a few years of time (or whenever it was $7.25) - that's not sustainable.
Prove it! All Conservatives have done is rely on anecdotal fear-mongering to make the point about increasing min wage. You've done it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

We have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER had a crash from raising min wage and yet EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY time it's proposed, Conservatives trot out the same tired, un-proven argument.

But $15/hr is the one that's finally going to prove your point, right?
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Except, maybe, for the breakfast waitstaff, I'd have to quess that making somewhere around $25 an hour in tips per "waitress" is more than likely. (Based on an average of $6 a table and only 4 tables an hour) Add that to the supposed $10 and you might see why restaurant owners balk at having it raised.
The whole practice of tipping being included has forever created the fiasco of pay in the restaurant business
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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A person who cannot afford paying their employees $15/h which isn’t even that much should not hire anyone or run a business.

Cost of living and renting in NYC area is sky high
Yep, I agree. Its not a successful business model if you rely so heavily on people willing to work for low pay.

In the end, some places may shut down, but others will take their place, that is pretty much guaranteed actually. someone will come along that can make it work.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:59 AM
 
Location: IL
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Are there bags of poo there too?
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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I will never argue on behalf of the slave master. A slave master is a business that does not pay their workers what they're owed. This is how capitalism got it's start, and to this day, the descendants of slaves aren't giving what is owed them. Shoot, most of you who argue against raising wages, are workers yourself. How in the world are you arguing for corporations, how are you arguing for the slave master? Unless you have dreams of being a slave master yourself one day. (This is why I always laugh when folks say not everyone owned slaves back in the day. Your ancestors may not have owned slaves, but if they could have afforded to, they certainly would have)

By the way, the minimum wage should be $20-$25.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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I will never argue on behalf of the slave master. A slave master is a business that does not pay their workers what they're owed. This is how capitalism got it's start, and to this day, the descendants of slaves aren't giving what is owed them. Shoot, most of you who argue against raising wages, are workers yourself. How in the world are you arguing for corporations, how are you arguing for the slave master? Unless you have dreams of being a slave master yourself one day. (This is why I always laugh when folks say not everyone owned slaves back in the day. Your ancestors may not have owned slaves, but if they could have afforded to, they certainly would have)

By the way, the minimum wage should be $20-$25.

1: The minimum wage is monopolistic price fixing. It is immoral. It is hateful. It is disgusting. The state has no business telling anyone what to pay as wages.


2: There is no such thing as a living wage. There is no right to demand any wage. There is no right to a job. All of this should be based on free market principles, which means the principle of trade.


3: The minimum wage is socialistic tyranny and fascistic coercion. It is also theft. It is also a violation of common sense.


The solution?


Adoption of free market principles. The minimum wage should be revoked. It is preposterous and evil that people who do low level tasks should demand unreasonable pay and use the police power of the state to take what they cannot earn. To steal what they cannot trade for.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I will never argue on behalf of the slave master. A slave master is a business that does not pay their workers what they're owed. This is how capitalism got it's start, and to this day, the descendants of slaves aren't giving what is owed them. Shoot, most of you who argue against raising wages, are workers yourself. How in the world are you arguing for corporations, how are you arguing for the slave master? Unless you have dreams of being a slave master yourself one day. (This is why I always laugh when folks say not everyone owned slaves back in the day. Your ancestors may not have owned slaves, but if they could have afforded to, they certainly would have)

By the way, the minimum wage should be $20-$25.
Ya sure. Most people didn't own slaves because they didn't want to. What a ridiculous view.
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