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Old 07-18-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: The Eastern Shore
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For me this was all the explanation I needed to understand the $15 per hour rate the Left was pushing for.



I asked 2 very liberal guys I know that own 2 shops what they thought of the mini being raised to $15 to give people a living wage and they thought it was a terrific idea. I then asked them why they don't pay their handful of workers $15 now and they both balked saying "we couldn't afford that! we would be out of business"





Hmmm so the Liberal mind thinks such a plan is good as long as it is "not in their backyard"



Hypocrites.
So these two liberals you supposedly know represent all liberals and how they think? What an ignorant thing to say, but par for the course I suppose.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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For me this was all the explanation I needed to understand the $15 per hour rate the Left was pushing for.



I asked 2 very liberal guys I know that own 2 shops what they thought of the mini being raised to $15 to give people a living wage and they thought it was a terrific idea. I then asked them why they don't pay their handful of workers $15 now and they both balked saying "we couldn't afford that! we would be out of business"





Hmmm so the Liberal mind thinks such a plan is good as long as it is "not in their backyard"



Hypocrites.
Oh yes, your anecdotal experience trumps everything.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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My recent experience with a $15 minimum wage restaurant... We placed our orders with a server, but when the orders are up, you must retrieve the food yourselves from the kitchen countertop. Those flashing/vibrating pagers were used for the process. The waitstaff still expected a full tip regardless of the fact that we had to retrieve our own food, silverware, napkins, etc.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I kind of chuckled when I read this...…….

80% Of New York Restaurants Close In First Five Years - Business Insider

It's behind a paywall/adblocker but it basically says that only 20% of restaurants in NYC survive...………...in 2011.


The following study found 60% of restaurants close or change ownership within a year of opening. 80% fail within 5 years.

These numbers are nation-wide in thousands of micro economies.

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/ten-re...s-fail-2888628

Top 5 reasons for closure are:

Location

Absentee Owners

Poor Management

Tax Fraud

Bad Service

Interestingly, the examples in your link attribute failure to one or more of these reasons.

Some owners learn from business failure and open another business. Others trend “ blame throwers” avoiding any responsibility and have different outcomes. This certainly is not limited to restaurants.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I can tell you from my dining experiences from Staten Island to Manhattan has completely changed. Prices have spiked. Just to got to a dinner to get breakfast for two people is now a $30 to $35 check plus tip. In some instances, food quality has gone down too where places like clubs that have limited membership and fixed income that must maintain staffing over 50. It's a real mess and there is no way for the city or state to back out of this without a massive back last. These dummies opened a Pandora's box. This won't be the first policy that they put into place that will come back and bite them in the ass too. de Blasio and Cuomo can't spend taxpayer money fast enough without a way to replenish the system. Fewer open business leads to fewer sales tax, payroll tax, employee tax etc...
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: USA
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Exactly. Which is why I refuse to eat at any restaurant in Manhattan. I know that my $40 steak is sending $25 to the City of New York. I won't pay it, I'll eat elsewhere.

Many other people like me are smart and make the same decision. Over time, restaurants die, restaurants fail to open, opening restaurants fails to be planned or dreamed about. Over time society dies by a million paper cuts. And the minimum wage is just another paper cut that will kill our society.

The minimum wage is a tribute and a concession to mediocrity and laziness. It is the weak tyrannizing the strong in the only way it can: by seizing the power of the State and utilizing it to steal what cannot be earned.

The minimum wage is an economic failure, but that's the least of the issue. It is a moral failing and evidence of diminished quality in our population. Why? Because the people who plop their fat asses down in our society are precisely the people who failed to fight for freedom in the countries they ran from. We get the worst of the worst, and they vote to make our country, which was based on achievement and excellence, into their country, which was based on socialism, collectivism, failure, and malice.

Which, by the way, ties into immigration. When we allow too many people from sewer states to invade our country in large numbers, what is going to happen through the election process over time? Lots of tyranny, lots of mediocrity, and ultimately the end of freedom.
What’s wrong with immigration? Why do you want the State to interfere with the free movement of low-cost labor resources?

Illegal immigration in particular means people are working under the table for less than minimum wage. Illegal immigration makes minimum wage laws moot. Given your dislike of minimum wage laws, you should support illegal immigration.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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This will not mean the end of restaurants in NYC it will just mean there will be less independently owned eateries and more chain and franchise establishments.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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From the article...

In explaining his decision to close following 28 years of high-volume business, owner Charles Milite told the New York Post, “The times have changed in our industry. The rents are very high and now the minimum wage is going up and we have a huge number of employees.”

Milite employs about 150 people at his breakfast, lunch, and dinner operation, which also puts him over the Affordable Care Act’s costly mandate that establishments with 50 or more employees provide health insurance.

The Coffee Shop is part of The Gotham City Restaurant Group, which also owns Flats Fix, the former employer of socialist darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


The American employee is too expensive - all thanks to over reaching government.

The government and businesses are not responsible for ensuring people make enough to live on. That's the responsibility of the individual to make him or herself valuable enough to earn a decent living.

I love this line at the end...

New York’s new look will be vacant storefronts between an occasional Pret-a-Manger or the public restroom formerly known as Starbucks.
I would suggest that it is the US crappy health care system that is more at fault in this case.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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$15 Minimum Wage Wreaking Havoc on NYC Dining

It will settle out.

People deserve a living wage. If you want someone to cook for you or serve you at table be prepared to compensate them properly and treat them with respect ... or eat at home.

"Living wage" is one of those feels-good-but-meaningless phrases that the Left likes to toss around. What does it mean, exactly? Anyone who is currently living, and is receiving any kind of wage, is by definition receiving a living wage, no? Even if you want to attempt to quantify it by factoring in what it costs for a person to pay for the various necessities of life (however defined), you'll still get wildly different results based on geographic location, to say nothing of the vagaries of individual initiative as demonstrated by the ability to live more, or less, frugally than the norm.


"Compensate them properly." Again, what does this mean? I take it to mean that one should pay a worker what their labor is worth in a free market, at the intersection of the amount at which a worker is willing to provide his services and the amount at which the consumer is willing to pay for them. This will vary not only between industries, but even within them. As an example, it's been my experience that the average worker at Chick-fil-A provides better service than the average worker at McDonald's. Thus, in this example, I would support a higher wage for the former than for the latter. (And yes, I have been known to receive excellent service at McDonald's; I'm taking in generalities here.)


"Treat them with respect." Totally agree. There is no excuse to not treat a restaurant worker with respect. Even if they give you poor service, the proper recourse is to complain to the manager -- and then decide whether or not to patronize that restaurant in the future, based on how you feel the situation was resolved.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Perhaps economics works differently where I am, because with the minimum wage heading towards $20 within the next two years, coffee shops/ restaurants numbers seem to have increased.

A friend that was in the restaurant business, told me that rental was the key factor threatening his business viability, outside of his control - I guess that would be common situation.
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