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Old 07-21-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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75% is over half the states. When said and done it will likely be 2/3rds. And then we see. As I said the remainder may hold their ground, go to war, separate etc. I would think one way or another the country will get stuck back together. But if not they will have to figure out how to deal with it.

I think unlikely though. We may get annoyed at each other but there is will likely be little support for ending the grand experiment.

I think it highly unlikely I will live long enough to see the confrontation...but perhaps my grandchildren.

I would think however it is inevitable.

Your example assumes a likeminded among the large states. As you can see from the OP you have TX, OH, PA, and GA mixed in with CA, IL, and NY. You really think TX and GA are going to go along with a system that empowers liberals and decreases conservative power at the executive branch and senatorial evel?
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Hmmmm, majority rule.


It reminds me of a story of a campus gay group where at a meeting, a whole bunch of anti gay joined, passed a motion for the group to be shut down, the motion passed with the new membership, and that was the night of their last meeting.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Your example assumes a likeminded among the large states. As you can see from the OP you have TX, OH, PA, and GA mixed in with CA, IL, and NY. You really think TX and GA are going to go along with a system that empowers liberals and decreases conservative power at the executive branch and senatorial evel?
Texas may well turn blue.

But it is some set of states not necessarily only the nominal big ones. Say 17 or 18 of the top 25.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So the Constitution is protecting the populace from popular democracy?
Yes. The US isn't a popular democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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You're letting personal bias cloud your judgement.

Chicago has been and will continue to be one of the powerhouse cities in the country.
Chicago is notoriously filled with lefty NIMBY racists. Interesting fact that few know about very blue Chicago...

White Democrats in Chicago insisted that Chicago's "Equity Insurance" program be implemented.

Chicago Isn't Just Segregated, It Basically Invented Modern Segregation - Chicago Magazine

VERY important to read the Chicago Magazine article. Much of the info is just simply jaw-dropping. For example, it was White Democrats who in the 1980s insisted the City of Chicago implement "equity insurance" in case they had to sell their homes at a loss because Blacks had moved into the neighborhood and torpedoed property values. The "equity insurance" program is still in place to this day.

The media never mentions it because the City of Chicago equity insurance program benefits White Democrat voters. They're protected from the loss of equity in their homes caused by what they've identified as "minority creep" into their lily White neighborhoods.

More background info on Chicago's "equity insurance" program:

Plan to Insure Chicago Home Value Brings Racial Rift - 1988 - NY Times Archive

1988, the inception of Chicago's "equity insurance" program was fairly recent, not pre-Civil Rights. And, as I said, the "equity insurance" program still exists to this day.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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= loss in presidential election if not distributed correctly.

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65,845,063 > 62,980,160
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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We were not set up as a popular democracy. To be accurate, you should say the Constitutional Republic protects us from democracy, aka mob-rule.

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So the Constitution is protecting the populace from popular democracy?
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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The federalist system came out of the beginnings, giving those same sovereign states a role in the governing and running the country, along with the federal government. That is why elections are administered and run by the states, as one example of the federal model.

Your understanding of The United States form of government is either shallow and incomplete, or your points are crafted and made because you oppose the system. Which is it?

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Ehhh Brilliantly? I think you should have stopped at worked. Neither the Bush or Trump election gets anywhere near brilliant

I would also note it was initially a uniting of sovereign states. That is of course no longer true. The majority of the states never had a claim to sovereignty. Simple constructs of the Feds or states.

So the view that the States deserve special status would not seem supported by reality. They mostly don't.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Texas may well turn blue.

But it is some set of states not necessarily only the nominal big ones. Say 17 or 18 of the top 25.


Texas may well turn blue in 25 yrs, but your belief that somehow the more populous states will overturn the EC and the Senate is a pipe dream . Will never happen . The only way it happens is if the states that will become the victims of popular majority rule agree to amend it to allow popular majority rule . And that ain't happening . You might as well expect women to support a law that makes it legal for a man to force sexual intercourse on any woman any time he pleases .
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Texas may well turn blue in 25 yrs, but your belief that somehow the more populous states will overturn the EC and the Senate is a pipe dream . Will never happen . The only way it happens is if the states that will become the victims of popular majority rule agree to amend it to allow popular majority rule . And that ain't happening . You might as well expect women to support a law that makes it legal for a man to force sexual intercourse on any woman any time he pleases .
Exactly. State legislatures aren't going to vote to disenfranchise themselves.
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