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Old 07-19-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Advocating proportional power for areas based on population, not arbitrary borders.
We're well aware leftist have little respect for borders, there's no need to drill it into our heads.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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But it doesnt work out being equal does it ?
In the case of the Senate, it does.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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We're well aware leftist have little respect for borders, there's no need to drill it into our heads.
It's math - - something else conservatives need drilled into their heads.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and Pennsylvania are blue?
That's a cop out. Your original post - like most of what you post - was meant to advocate for the superiority of Democrat and Blue State mentality and liberal thought.
A good example is your post above.


Fail.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This is very disturbing as the Senate has more clout, that means the wishes of 570K ppl from Wyoming would equal or cancel out those of 39M ppl from California. It's an extreme case, but you get the gist of it!

Maybe global warming won't be so bad after all, lol. It sure would spur Americans in coastal cities to move inland and change the political landscape.

It would cancel out in the Senate but not the HOR.

You do have a point though.

Bills will be able to pass the HOR with ease but experience friction in the Senate.

That's how it "should be", I suppose, in a representative democracy.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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Solidly blue VT with 625,000 people offsets Wyoming, so what's your point? NH, Maine, and RI are also low population blue States. Folks that always compare WY to CA are disingenuous given the Dems also have their low population States.



The 13 States that formed the US understood the population disparities as did the other 37 that subsequently joined the union. It is because of the population disparity that the Senate exists as it does and the House exists as it does. It was a stroke of genius to balance population considerations with the inherent equality of the individual States.
Don't forget protecting slavery and the Southern aristocracy had a great deal to do with that.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Rural areas deserve more representation. It seems that living in big cities destroys people's ability to think clearly. Constantly on the go and their brains rattled by noise and air pollution causes long term degradation in their thought processes. Rural people who live at a slower pace, breathe clean air, and aren't compromised by noise pollution help keep our country from falling off a cliff. I think the founding fathers understood this.
Which explains why most of our innovation and so much of our economy vitality emanates from our cities.
Rural people dont actually view our urban and suburban populations this condescendingly, do they?
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:41 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Rural areas deserve more representation. It seems that living in big cities destroys people's ability to think clearly. Constantly on the go and their brains rattled by noise and air pollution causes long term degradation in their thought processes. Rural people who live at a slower pace, breathe clean air, and aren't compromised by noise pollution help keep our country from falling off a cliff. I think the founding fathers understood this.

One line in a novel spelled this attitude out perfectly "The virtue that sustains a nation rests in its small towns. The rot that destroys a nation festers in its cities".

Make of that what you will. But one question I have is that if big city people are so stupid and rural people are so smart, then how come the job seekers and ambitious people move to the cities and leave the countryside with a talent deficit? And did I forget to mention the "net tax contributors" and "net tax takers" map, showing the most highly urbanized areas contributing more to the nation's tax coffers than they get in return? Sounds like the cities are the place to be self-sufficient.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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It's math - - something else conservatives need drilled into their heads.
306 > 227

We get it.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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So you prefer predominantly liberal urban areas dictate national policy for all eternity, is that it?

Gee, no conflict of interest there.
Well if the states representing such a huge chunk of the population are as overwhelming liberal as you say....then the liberal viewpoint must have won the battle for the mind of the majority of the American people. Look at the situation we have now..thanks to gerrymandering of House districts, equal representation of states in the Senate (small population rural states greatly outnumber the large urban ones and tend to be deep Red) the Electoral College, and lifetime Supreme Court appointments the minority party in terms of national popular support controls all branches of the federal government. That situation is untenable. I could see maintaining equal representation of states in the Senate to protect the interests of the small states..but the state of affairs we have now is nuts.
We pulled several million more popular votes than the GOP in the last election...yet where is our voice represented in Washington? Something drastic needs to done to improve the system.
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