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Old 07-27-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: West Loop Chicago
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
Except he didn't. He initiated the confrontation (which was foolish and likely racially driven), but he did not initiate the violence.

Two people can be in a shouting match all day long. That won't count.
That's why I think it will be interesting what the witnesses say. if Drejka is yelling that he's going to shoot or kill or whatever the guy's girlfriend/kids, or otherwise making threats, then we're not talking about just a simple argument anymore.

I'm going by a report on ABC where one regular of that store said he had been in a parking spot argument with Drejka previously, and Drejka had threatened to kill him...so it's not just conjecture on my part.

 
Old 07-27-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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So you didn't understand the part about Drejka initiating the violence?

Nice sidestep.

The sidestep here is you not acknowledging that you either had your facts wrong or simply lied. You alleged that the shooter was waiting in his car, watched the big guy get out and go into the store, then got out and started yelling at the woman. The video proves otherwise, that the shooter arrived after the guy went into the store.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 03:33 PM
 
Location: USA
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Drejka lay in wait...pounced... confronted...shot.

He might have also threatened to kill, same as he did a month ago. We haven't heard from witnesses yet.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Drejka initiated violence when he sat in his car and waited for McGlockton to go into the store, THEN got in McGlockton's girlfriend's face and told her to "move her f'kin car". His rant was so loud and belligerent that several customers noticed and one of them went into the store and alerted McGlockton.
Wrong. You don't "initiate violence" by talking.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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Wrong. You don't "initiate violence" by talking.
I didn't say he was talking.

Clearly he was SHOUTING, cursing, and possibly threatening. Those acts DO initiate violence. If he had simply been talking the witness would not have gone in store to get the other guy.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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Well as long you're using the words "likely racially driven", which in this case may be true, those same words also may hold true for McGlockton. He may have thought something along the lines of, "they can't tell me nuthin' and if they do they tryin' cuz' I'm Black"

I have seen myself quite a few ...dozen... times.

-Taking soda in a different cup from a Wendy's ...oh you stopped me cuz' I'm Black
-Skipping public transportation fare ...a brother can't get a break?
-Taking items off a shelf and putting it in a bag then walking past the register ...you got something against African-Americans?

It ...does... happen, pretty frequently.
So what does that have to do with my point that it didn't count?
 
Old 07-27-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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I didn't say he was talking.

Clearly he was SHOUTING, cursing, and possibly threatening. Those acts DO initiate violence. .
No, they don't.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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No, they don't.
Words are violence. Google it.

Moral of this story is don’t argue with capable inconsiderate aholes. Just slash their tires and move on.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I didn't say he was talking.

Clearly he was SHOUTING, cursing, and possibly threatening. Those acts DO initiate violence. If he had simply been talking the witness would not have gone in store to get the other guy.
Apparently you have a version with the audio. Please post the link. Thanks.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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Words are violence. Google it.

Moral of this story is don’t argue with capable inconsiderate aholes. Just slash their tires and move on.
Show me the case where someone was exonerated having shot a person who had been merely shouting.
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