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Lots of armchair quartebacks here.
Lessons learned. Dont park in a illegal spot when there are many more Legal spots available.
I feel no sympathy for guy that physically assaulted someone.
Nice shot placement though..
White guy will be harrassed for days to come, but cant be sued thank God.
The Black guy was a 7 time felon, and had a history of aggravated assault and resisting arrest.. State is saving money on him now.
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Exactly. If they review this situation and find the shooter guilty of something, that's fine. But let's not fudge the facts and pretend that the physical assault he engaged in wasn't the reason this guy died. That was the only reason. The shooter had arguments with other people according to the article. Only one of them was shot - based on a physical assault that never should have happened.
That one got me thinking...
Did he really harass and scope people out for parking violations?
Or is this business owner trying to do some sort of damage control to alleviate being sued for some whacky reason by an ambulance chasing lawyer.
Because if that business owners words are true... and the guy really was a menace, and harassed people, why wasn't he trespassed? I'm not so sure I believe the business owner. If someone harassed my customers or employees. I would have them trespassed. Or at least have the police arrive to deal with the guy, and if the guy showed signs of instability in front of the police, they would have Baker acted him and no more firearms for him. There's the flip side of the coin folks don't know about Florida laws.
We have stand your ground, absolutely, and it works. You are not going to be punished for defending yourself as you see fit, whether it's with hands, a knife, a pistol whatever. On the flip side of the coin, demonstrate questionable behavior? You can be Baker acted.
The Baker Act allows for involuntary examination, what some call emergency or involuntary commitment. It can be initiated by judges, law enforcement officials, physicians, or mental health professionals. There must be evidence that the person: possibly has a mental illness as defined in the Baker Act.
(Strange how that scumbag in parkland didn't get Baker acted )
That's if what was said is true about him being menacing or scoping the place out repeatedly...
Exactly. If they review this situation and find the shooter guilty of something, that's fine. But let's not fudge the facts and pretend that the physical assault he engaged in wasn't the reason this guy died. That was the only reason. The shooter had arguments with other people according to the article. Only one of them was shot - based on a physical assault that never should have happened.
He shoved him. He didn’t punch him. He didn’t shove him on the ground and then jump on him. He pushed him away from him and then started to back away. He did what any MAN would do to someone threatening his wife.
I can’t believe all the people here defending this crap. The man with the gun could have pulled his weapon and told the guy to back off, and I can almost guarantee the guy would have backed off. That man didn’t even take 5 seconds from pulling his gun and then pointing it at him and pulling the trigger.
I do not think stand your ground laws were meant to cover situations like this. If it does cover it, then they need to amend that law. It’s bs, and anyone defending it needs to review that video again and imagine how you’d feel if that were your son or brother or father.
That one got me thinking...
Did he really harass and scope people out for parking violations?
Or is this business owner trying to do some sort of damage control to alleviate being sued for some whacky reason by an ambulance chasing lawyer.
Because if that business owners words are true... and the guy really was a menace, and harassed people, why wasn't he trespassed? I'm not so sure I believe the business owner. If someone harassed my customers or employees. I would have them trespassed. Or at least have the police arrive to deal with the guy, and if the guy showed signs of instability in front of the police, they would have Baker acted him and no more firearms for him. There's the flip side of the coin folks don't know about Florida laws.
We have stand your ground, absolutely, and it works. You are not going to be punished for defending yourself as you see fit, whether it's with hands, a knife, a pistol whatever. On the flip side of the coin, demonstrate questionable behavior? You can be Baker acted.
The Baker Act allows for involuntary examination, what some call emergency or involuntary commitment. It can be initiated by judges, law enforcement officials, physicians, or mental health professionals. There must be evidence that the person: possibly has a mental illness as defined in the Baker Act.
(Strange how that scumbag in parkland didn't get Baker acted )
That's if what was said is true about him being menacing or scoping the place out repeatedly...
Good point that the whole thing about him bothering other people could be made up. You're right that if someone is hassling the customers then the police are usually called and he's told not to go back there again. So something doesn't quite make sense about that.
He has threatened to kill people parking on that spot before. They should have taken his gun away at that point, and this needless death would have been avoided, because clearly he would not be playing police if he didn't have his gun.
You’re more than welcome to file a complaint to the Tampa Police
When you break the law, twice, there are consequences.
Why you would defend the actions of illegal parkers and assaults toward older people in front of your own kids is beyond me.
When was the last time you assaulted someone almost 20 years older than you? You do know there are people who will gun you down for assaulting them right? Well I guess some people learn the hard way
He shoved him. He didn’t punch him. He didn’t shove him on the ground and then jump on him. He pushed him away from him and then started to back away. He did what any MAN would do to someone threatening his wife.
I can’t believe all the people here defending this crap. The man with the gun could have pulled his weapon and told the guy to back off, and I can almost guarantee the guy would have backed off. That man didn’t even take 5 seconds from pulling his gun and then pointing it at him and pulling the trigger.
I do not think stand your ground laws were meant to cover situations like this. If it does cover it, then they need to amend that law. It’s bs, and anyone defending it needs to review that video again and imagine how you’d feel if that were your son or brother or father.
People have died being shoved. You know that, I'm assuming. Head hits the concrete and that's it.
Shoving someone is physical assault by law.
Look at the video again and you'll see a second guy quickly walking toward them. It's the guy that stood at the door listening before going in. Then the illegal parker came out, trailed by the second guy.
I don't like that the man was shot either, but the shooter was pushed, then the guy started walking toward him again until he saw the guy on the ground reach for something. Only then did he start to back off. So did the second man.
Everything happened so quickly - the adrenaline is going and I can see where the guy who was shoved could feel threatened.
You and I can sit here and say he should have just pointed the gun to see what happens but we're not there in the moment.
And the law, whether we like it or not, is the law.
Legally, its not ok to initiate-which would make the shove an assault in the criminal justice system.
To counter when you personally feel a threat is protected in Florida via SYG laws,
Try telling the dope who posed that question...lol. (I should have indicated I was quoting someone but I generally just ignore that poster.) Who comes up with an argument like that anyway? It's childish.
Exactly. If they review this situation and find the shooter guilty of something, that's fine. But let's not fudge the facts and pretend that the physical assault he engaged in wasn't the reason this guy died. That was the only reason. The shooter had arguments with other people according to the article. Only one of them was shot - based on a physical assault that never should have happened.
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