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Old 07-23-2018, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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The old man “provoked the situation” doesn’t hold weight either

Any Good Samaritan has a 100% duty to call out crime when they see it, to prevent their neighborhood from being anarchy.

Don’t like confrontation? Don’t park illegally or commit asssualt

 
Old 07-23-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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I'd say you can't make this stuff up - but that's exactly what you do.

Nobody is making this a racial issue but you. Geeze, do you ever wind down?

Nope. It's called a pattern of thinking. The same pattern shows up when the police shoots an unarmed black person. The same pattern shows up when police are called on blacks for frivolous incidents. The same pattern shows up on these vigilante cases. The same pattern shows up when people on the forum are analyzing the general condition of inequality of blacks (Its always rooted in blacks....nothing anyone else did to blacks).



Look....a large part of American society simply sees black people as INFERIOR, innately prone to violence, innately prone to not loving and caring for their mates and children, innately prone to be less intelligent, lazy, etc. Hence, black people get little sympathy or empathy from the white conservative in a situation like this. Every black guy is a potential killer and must be put down, if the black person is angry.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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You cannot separate this incident from the statistics that whites use to judge black people. As we read constantly and are constantly reminded of, the black murder rate is 8 times higher than the white murder rate. Another statistic relevant to understanding the opinion of many is single parent homes among blacks.

When looking at this incident, those stereotype plays into the formulation of opinion about whose was at most fault in this incident. In other words, given statistics, the white guy had a reasonable fear because blacks kill at 8 times the rate of whites. Also, the argument that the black guy was protecting his girl friend/family is challenged by the statistics that say black males don't support the mother of their children or families. In other words, they don't think blacks really LOVE and hence they don't buy the argument that a black man was justified in pushing the white guy IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY. He pushed because its just in black males DNA to be violent.


A lot of people are basing their opinion off of their fears and they feel a CPL and a law to protect them and give them the benefit of the doubt is all that is protecting them from street thugs.
So,,,,,,,,,,,,You really think he thought all of this as he went down on his ass ? Or perhaps he was about to get his head kicked in by someone bigger stronger and younger and left for dead in a parking lot.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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This is not racially based, but hello, it was his gf (not wife). Girlfriends are NOT family.

Obviously you don't know what constitutes a family. They share 3 kids together and have been together for years obviously. In some state that is common law marriage. The kids were in the car also.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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This was a blindside “suckerpunch” push

Liberals don’t get to decide how scared or injured someone becomes before citizens are allowed to defend themselves in Florida
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Nope. It's called a pattern of thinking. The same pattern shows up when the police shoots an unarmed black person. The same pattern shows up when police are called on blacks for frivolous incidents. The same pattern shows up on these vigilante cases. The same pattern shows up when people on the forum are analyzing the general condition of inequality of blacks (Its always rooted in blacks....nothing anyone else did to blacks).

Look....a large part of American society simply sees black people as INFERIOR, innately prone to violence, innately prone to not loving and caring for their mates and children, innately prone to be less intelligent, lazy, etc. Hence, black people get little sympathy or empathy from the white conservative in a situation like this. Every black guy is a potential killer and must be put down, if the black person is angry.
Yeah and a large part of American society would love to walk up to a white person and physically assault them. I don't think about them, however, because they're not part of my reality.

Worry about your own warped pattern of thinking.

Nobody is making this about race. I don't think the people posting in this specific thread who are blaming the guy who was shot, would change their tune if races were reversed. I sure as hell wouldn't. Some of the posters who are faulting the guy who was shot are black folks, in case that was lost on you.

You and others, however, would change your tune if races were reversed - because it's all about race with some of you.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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This was a blindside “suckerpunch” push

Liberals don’t get to decide how scared or injured someone becomes before citizens are allowed to defend themselves in Florida
correct. SYG is written specifically not allowing outsiders interpretations to be considered at all.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: PSL
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This was a blindside “suckerpunch” push

Liberals don’t get to decide how scared or injured someone becomes before citizens are allowed to defend themselves in Florida
LOL I'm with the Floridians when Stand Your Ground cases get national coverage they all say the same thing
"Don't like it? Don't move down here then, you loud mouth Yankee carpet baggers."
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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So,,,,,,,,,,,,You really think he thought all of this as he went down on his ass ? Or perhaps he was about to get his head kicked in by someone bigger stronger and younger and left for dead in a parking lot.

That is the role of the subconscious. Most racism is rooted in the subconscious and the subconscious is what controls spit second decisions that would take too long for the conscious mind. Besides, I was mostly talking about those defending the white guy and their fears and stereotypes of blacks.

That having been said, there was another popular topic about how whites call the police on blacks for frivolous things and suspicions. In that thread, MANY people defended the actions of the whites who called police BASED UPON CRIME STATISTICS. They said if black people did not have such a high crime rate then whites would not have the bases to suspect them, paraphrasing. In other words, they used statistics to say that these white people were not acting racist, but just acting based upon what they see which is that blacks are much more likely than whites to be violent criminals.

Now....if that is true.....that statistics matter and shape peoples opinions.....then why does it not apply to this scenario? Why should I not believe that people are taking the side of the white guy because of statistics about blacks and violence and statics about blacks not taking care of their families?
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:11 PM
 
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Interesting Post from a person in Florida

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...=896444&page=5


The Zimmerman incident happened in Seminole county in Sanford FL, I live 45 minutes from where it took place. Pinellas county which is loaded with communists is in SW Florida a few hours drive from Seminole county...

SYG in FL applies to anywhere you happen to be, in your house, vehicle or walking down the sidewalk etc...

If one fears for their safety or is being attacked including verbal threats of violence ie someone says they are going to beat them to a pulp or beat them to death then deadly force can be used...

Had the person who was shot killed shooter instead this would have also been seen as a justified shooting because the shooter was involved in heated argument with the occupant of the vehicle and when someone is in their vehicle in FL it is considered an extension of their home. Likewise if the person in the vehicle had a firearm they could have also blown the shooter away because the shooter was verbally attacking them and they could have been in fear of their life or bodily harm, if they said loudly "I'm in fear for my life" and the person kept-up the verbal attack the shooting would be seen as justified. If someone being attacked physically or verbally says those words loudly to another person they'd had better turn tail and run in the opposite direction because that is the cue that they are about to be blown away...LOL

Where the person who was killed went wrong is they initiated physical violence against the shooter, had he walked out and said back-off we are leaving but the shooter kept verbally assaulting them, tried to put their hands on them or prevented them from leaving then all bets are off and he could have blown the shooter away and it would also been seen as justified...

It remains to be seen if the DA decides to charge the shooter...

In FL one should assume everyone is armed and not to initiate violence be it physical, verbal or both...
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