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Wait. How do we know Carter Page was working for the FBI? He was all over television this morning and failed to mention that.
Don't feel bad, you'd have to have been paying close attention to have caught it.
Carter Page was approached by Russian spies in 2013 who tried to recruit him. The FBI interviewed him about those meetings & declined to charge him with anything. Instead they cultivated Page, who continued to meet with the Russians and pass them documents. He is listed in FBI court documents as 'Male-1', and is the only witness listed. He was described as an energy sector consultant from NYC. Page denied it for over a year, before finally admitting it.
When the same Russians were finally indicted and convicted, the DOJ released a press release. In the press release, there is no mention of witness 'Male-1', instead they refer to witness 'UCE-1' (Undercover Employee 1) who they say was recruited by the exact same Russian spies. 'UCE-1' is described as an energy sector consultant from NYC. It goes on to say that 'UCE-1' was already working undercover for the FBI when the Russians tried to recruit him & he passed binders of documents to the Russians. In those binders were bugs, which were used to get the information that convicted the Russian spies.
When did what happen? The law says the FBI must present verified, accurate evidence in order to obtain a FISA warrant. That part's not in question. That's what the law says.
Did the FBI lie to the FISA court to get the FISA application? Time will tell, but IF they did, then obviously everything stemming from it would be inadmissible and the Mueller investigation would be shut down.
There were 4 FISA applications, I recall Comey stating that much of what was in the dossier was corroborated, don't recall Yates making a statement. They did indicate that the information was from an outside source that wanted to discredit Trump, that was not what Nunes claimed.
There were 4 warrants that grew over time, each with additional pages that we cannot see. How do you claim that Steele was responsible for 85% of the warrant, actually warrants, when you cant even read over half of it
We're not talking about 4 FISA applications. Try to stay focused. We're talking about the 1st FISA application. The one that was release yesterday and everyone is talking about today.
James Comey said the evidence in the Russian 'dossier' was "unverified" at the time of the FISA application. Bill Priestap said the process of verification "was in it's infancy" at the time of the application. Christopher Steele himself said the Russian 'dossier' was not verified. There's no debate that all the major players, including the author are on record saying the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application.
What was in question was if the unverified Russian 'dossier' was presented at verified in order to trick a FISA Judge into giving them the warrant they wanted? Nunes said it was a major part of the application, Schiff said that was a lie. Now we know it was the major part of the application. Schiff lied. Without the Russian 'dossier' there really wouldn't have been much to submit to the Judge as it's almost entirely derived from the Russian 'dossier'.
The idea that the Mueller investigation is going to get shut down over a faulty FISA warrant or the Steele Dossier is insane.
Try as they might, this investigation is not "fruit of the poisoned tree."
It just isn't.
Intelligence agencies from all over the world were warning their U.S. counterparts that something was amiss and they needed to look into it.
If the Special Counsel investigation gets shut down, it will be because the Republicans shut it down.
Everyone agrees that IF the FISA warrant was illegally obtained (that's still an 'if'), then it's all fruit of the poisonous tree & the Mueller investigation gets shut down. That's not political, that's just the law.
If the police want to raid someone's house because they think they're selling drugs, they can't go to the judge and claim they have proof of child sex trafficking in order to get the warrant the want. If they did and it was found out, the case would be thrown out of court.
If there was credible intelligence from foreign intelligence agencies, why didn't they use that in the FISA warrant? Doesn't make sense does it?
In the end, this only matters if the FBI submitted evidence they knew was unverified in order to trick the Judge into giving them the warrant. If they didn't, it's full steam ahead for Mueller.
We're not talking about 4 FISA applications. Try to stay focused. We're talking about the 1st FISA application. The one that was release yesterday and everyone is talking about today.
James Comey said the evidence in the Russian 'dossier' was "unverified" at the time of the FISA application. Bill Priestap said the process of verification "was in it's infancy" at the time of the application. Christopher Steele himself said the Russian 'dossier' was not verified. There's no debate that all the major players, including the author are on record saying the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application.
What was in question was if the unverified Russian 'dossier' was presented at verified in order to trick a FISA Judge into giving them the warrant they wanted? Nunes said it was a major part of the application, Schiff said that was a lie. Now we know it was the major part of the application. Schiff lied. Without the Russian 'dossier' there really wouldn't have been much to submit to the Judge as it's almost entirely derived from the Russian 'dossier'.
We're not talking about 4 FISA applications. Try to stay focused. We're talking about the 1st FISA application. The one that was release yesterday and everyone is talking about today.
James Comey said the evidence in the Russian 'dossier' was "unverified" at the time of the FISA application. Bill Priestap said the process of verification "was in it's infancy" at the time of the application. Christopher Steele himself said the Russian 'dossier' was not verified. There's no debate that all the major players, including the author are on record saying the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application.
What was in question was if the unverified Russian 'dossier' was presented at verified in order to trick a FISA Judge into giving them the warrant they wanted? Nunes said it was a major part of the application, Schiff said that was a lie. Now we know it was the major part of the application. Schiff lied. Without the Russian 'dossier' there really wouldn't have been much to submit to the Judge as it's almost entirely derived from the Russian 'dossier'.
You are missing the point, if the 1st FISA warrant wasn't legal, how did they get 3 additional warrants approved. There had to be a basis for the renewals yet you seem to feel that 4 different FISC judges were tricked, that is some conspiracy and if so you need to get Sessions hot on the trail. I noticed you never addressed Nunes contention that the judge wasn't informed that the dossier was from a political source, did he read a different warrant by accident. You keep repeating the dossier without knowing the full extent of the 4 warrants, maybe you saw the unredacted version. According to you 4 judges judge approved warrants based only on an outside source from an organization that was political, that is some large leap and lacking in facts.
We're not talking about 4 FISA applications. Try to stay focused. We're talking about the 1st FISA application. The one that was release yesterday and everyone is talking about today.
James Comey said the evidence in the Russian 'dossier' was "unverified" at the time of the FISA application. Bill Priestap said the process of verification "was in it's infancy" at the time of the application. Christopher Steele himself said the Russian 'dossier' was not verified. There's no debate that all the major players, including the author are on record saying the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application.
What was in question was if the unverified Russian 'dossier' was presented at verified in order to trick a FISA Judge into giving them the warrant they wanted? Nunes said it was a major part of the application, Schiff said that was a lie. Now we know it was the major part of the application. Schiff lied. Without the Russian 'dossier' there really wouldn't have been much to submit to the Judge as it's almost entirely derived from the Russian 'dossier'.
If that first one wasn't valid, there wouldn't have been three renewals.
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