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People keep bringing it up. So wanted to find out more about it.
Note that not all of this post of my words. Just sharing what I've read. Some of it paraphrased.
So the Iran deal was so they can pursue nuclear power and not use weapons. But now without the deal, they are pretty much free to pursue nuclear weapons.
There's 3 real options then - strike a deal, increase economic and diplomatic sanctions to the point where they quit on their own, or go to war. Since the economic sanctions haven't really convinced them to stop up until now, it seems reasonable to try a deal instead, because the last thing we want is war.
In exchange for no longer throttling the Iranian economy to death, Iran has agreed to:
have international inspection of their nuclear facilities
convert their nuclear facilities into physics labs
decreasing their capacities to enrich uranium to power-plant levels
decrease their amount of enriched uranium
In a more ELI5 way: Nukes are big bombs that no one wants used, kind of like paper airplanes in class. What the Iran deal is, is that in exchange for being nice to Iran and beginning to share some of our toys with them, we now have the teacher watching what Iran does with their paper, and decreasing both the amount of paper they have and how good their paper is, to make sure that they're coloring on it, not making paper airplanes out of it.
Trump’s statement makes it sound like we’re cutting Iran a $150 billion check. In reality, the money is already Iran’s to begin with, just frozen under the many economic sanctions levied against the country.
Restrictions on Iranian assets — such as the $1.9 billion the National Iranian Oil Company was restricted from collecting from Shell for delivering crude supplies — began to thaw this year. Per the Iran deal, nuclear inspectors verified in January that Tehran was doing enough to curb its nuclear program, prompting the United States and other countries to lift the sanctions.
Just how much money was being held up?
Experts say $150 billion is the high end of estimates or, as Malloy put it, "what it could possibly be in the broadest imagination." Most peg the the total value of Iranian assets at around $100 billion, but Iran probably still won’t be able to access all of it.
The deal only releases assets frozen because of Iran’s nuclear program. Assets blocked because of other sanctions (on terrorism, human rights, and missile technology) won’t change as a result of the agreement.
Also, Iran won’t suddenly have all the assets at its disposal because some of it is tied up in debts. For example, about $20 billion is obligated to China, which worked around the sanctions to finance infrastructure projects in Iran.
The actual amount available to Iran is about $60 billion, estimates Garbis Iradian, chief economist at the Institute of International Finance. U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew pinned it at $56 billion, while Iranian officials say $35 billion, according to Richard Nephew, an expert on economic sanctions at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.
Fact - Iran "deal" was never a formal treaty between our two nations and was never presented to nor ratified by the US Senate.
Fact - because the Iran "deal" was little more than a glorified handshake between Obama and Khameini, Trump was never bound to uphold the terms of that handshake, and this was explained in detail via Sen. Cotton's open letter to Khameini back when Obama did the hand shake.
Fact - Iran "deal" was never a formal treaty between our two nations and was never presented to nor ratified by the US Senate.
Fact - because the Iran "deal" was little more than a glorified handshake between Obama and Khameini, Trump was never bound to uphold the terms of that handshake, and this was explained in detail via Sen. Cotton's open letter to Khameini back when Obama did the hand shake.
Fact - elections have consequences.
Fact: Trump p.ssed all over the deal because it had Obama's name on it. The guy is a vandal.
I for one think it's quite fun to compare a deal with verification and multi-lateral diplomacy and inspections and whatnot with the pomp-and-circumstance North Korea flim-flam Trump has been trying to hand off as an achievement. The contrast in competence just couldn't be starker.
People keep bringing it up. So wanted to find out more about it.
Note that not all of this post of my words. Just sharing what I've read. Some of it paraphrased.
So the Iran deal was so they can pursue nuclear power and not use weapons. But now without the deal, they are pretty much free to pursue nuclear weapons.
There's 3 real options then - strike a deal, increase economic and diplomatic sanctions to the point where they quit on their own, or go to war. Since the economic sanctions haven't really convinced them to stop up until now, it seems reasonable to try a deal instead, because the last thing we want is war.
In exchange for no longer throttling the Iranian economy to death, Iran has agreed to:
have international inspection of their nuclear facilities
convert their nuclear facilities into physics labs
decreasing their capacities to enrich uranium to power-plant levels
decrease their amount of enriched uranium
In a more ELI5 way: Nukes are big bombs that no one wants used, kind of like paper airplanes in class. What the Iran deal is, is that in exchange for being nice to Iran and beginning to share some of our toys with them, we now have the teacher watching what Iran does with their paper, and decreasing both the amount of paper they have and how good their paper is, to make sure that they're coloring on it, not making paper airplanes out of it.
Trump’s statement makes it sound like we’re cutting Iran a $150 billion check. In reality, the money is already Iran’s to begin with, just frozen under the many economic sanctions levied against the country.
Restrictions on Iranian assets — such as the $1.9 billion the National Iranian Oil Company was restricted from collecting from Shell for delivering crude supplies — began to thaw this year. Per the Iran deal, nuclear inspectors verified in January that Tehran was doing enough to curb its nuclear program, prompting the United States and other countries to lift the sanctions.
Just how much money was being held up?
Experts say $150 billion is the high end of estimates or, as Malloy put it, "what it could possibly be in the broadest imagination." Most peg the the total value of Iranian assets at around $100 billion, but Iran probably still won’t be able to access all of it.
The deal only releases assets frozen because of Iran’s nuclear program. Assets blocked because of other sanctions (on terrorism, human rights, and missile technology) won’t change as a result of the agreement.
Also, Iran won’t suddenly have all the assets at its disposal because some of it is tied up in debts. For example, about $20 billion is obligated to China, which worked around the sanctions to finance infrastructure projects in Iran.
The actual amount available to Iran is about $60 billion, estimates Garbis Iradian, chief economist at the Institute of International Finance. U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew pinned it at $56 billion, while Iranian officials say $35 billion, according to Richard Nephew, an expert on economic sanctions at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.
Hope this clears things up.
It was not Iran's money any more than those 52 American hostages were theirs.
Iranian harassment of U.S. Warships:
2015: 22
2016: 36
2017: 14
2018: 0
Period.
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty
There was no Iran Deal between Iran & the USA.
There was only a Deal between Iran & Obama/Kerry. There was no constitutional ratification. The Senate never voted on it. i.e. It was worth less than the paper it was written on.
Moral of the story. The Iranians were beyond stupid to trust those two, though I guess, they got an opportunity to rook the America taxpayer in the process. Just like everything else that Obama touched, it turned to absolute ****.
(And the b**** of it is, our own military was forced to bend the knee to the Iranians under Obama. It will go down as one of the most embarrassing episodes in American military history.)
Oh yeah, this.
Dorks like to bring up this stuff, then we cram down their throats to gross sabotage of our Country's well being by Barack Hussein Obama, then they say, Whataboutism! Trump's your President now! This isn't about Obama!
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough
Let's see ALL the transcripts between the Obama admin and the Iranians on this issue like the left is demanding of Trump on the meeting between Trump and Putin.
And WHY haven't the dems demanded them BEFORE?
Then lets' see the same for the Russian uranium deal.
Whataboutism! Waa!
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian
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Add It Was Iran's Money to the DNC campaign 2018 and 2020!
Fact: Trump p.ssed all over the deal because it had Obama's name on it. The guy is a vandal.
I for one think it's quite fun to compare a deal with verification and multi-lateral diplomacy and inspections and whatnot with the pomp-and-circumstance North Korea flim-flam Trump has been trying to hand off as an achievement. The contrast in competence just couldn't be starker.
Believe what you like. No President needs to abide by the EOs of prior Presidents, same as no Congress is beholden to the promises of prior Congresses. If it doesn't make it into binding US law via ratification in the Senate...it's a whim that can be undone with another whim.
On the absurdity of inspections - the inspection process was "when Iran felt like it, with Iranian inspectors, and maybe or maybe not sharing info with the US." Basially, the Iran deal was this:
Lift sanctions and we promise to say stuff publicly that makes it seem like everyone is playing nice, while behind everyone's back, all that money we get fro lifted sanctions will be used to build "deterrents" to you ever putting sanctions on us again, infidel swine!
Makes sense that's what you prefer, since empty promises with lofty rhetoric was Obama's stock in trade. As long as the soundbites are good, who cares what the reality is on the ground.
On the absurdity of inspections - the inspection process was "when Iran felt like it, with Iranian inspectors, and maybe or maybe not sharing info with the US."
Oh - a lie. Why am I not surprised?
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Trump's your President now! This isn't about Obama! 