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Great article by Joel Kotkin that breaks down Democrats moves to the left and how it can alienate many of their voters .
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In their anti-Trump fervor, the Democrats have embraced leftist positions that weaken their prospects in 2018 and, perhaps even more so, beyond. This leftward shift was evident in scores of elections around the country as well as here in California where the party endorsed climate activist and open-borders advocate Kevin De Leon over longtime centrist, and still heavily favored, Sen. Dianne Feinstein.
The lurch to the left could become particularly problematic if the economy, always a big if, holds up. Right now almost two-thirds of voters think the economy is in good shape, according to a recent YouGov poll. To be sure, Trump’s approval ratings are not great, but not much worse than those at the same stage of their presidencies as Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, all but one of which was re-elected to second term
The farther the Democratic Party goes to the left, the more independent voters will be turned off by their rhetorical nonsense and promises that can't possibly be fulfilled.
Sure, some people will fall for it, but it won't be enough to win them anything to speak of. A candidate that was more left-center would fare better, but those seem to be rare these days.
Great article by Joel Kotkin that breaks down Democrats moves to the left and how it can alienate many of their voters .
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In their anti-Trump fervor, the Democrats have embraced leftist positions that weaken their prospects in 2018 and, perhaps even more so, beyond. This leftward shift was evident in scores of elections around the country as well as here in California where the party endorsed climate activist and open-borders advocate Kevin De Leon over longtime centrist, and still heavily favored, Sen. Dianne Feinstein.
The lurch to the left could become particularly problematic if the economy, always a big if, holds up. Right now almost two-thirds of voters think the economy is in good shape, according to a recent YouGov poll. To be sure, Trump’s approval ratings are not great, but not much worse than those at the same stage of their presidencies as Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, all but one of which was re-elected to second term
Fun fact: Trump actually has the highest approval ratings of his own party (88%) of ANY president in the last 40 years, unless you include GWB right after 9/11. And Trump as had this consistently, for months!
I think the democrats are living in their own bubble, where they just dont realize that to a lot of people, things aren’t as bad as they think it is.
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Fun fact: Trump actually has the highest approval ratings of his own party (88%) of ANY president in the last 40 years, unless you include GWB right after 9/11. And Trump as had this consistently, for months!
I think the democrats are living in their own bubble, where they just dont realize this fact.
Republicans are living in their own bubble because they don't realize how unpopular Trump is outside of his base. He's the most polarizing President in many years if ever. He's worshiped almost as a messiah among his base but is despised by everyone else. That's the primary issue Trump faces running for re-election. If people who stayed home in 2016 or who voted third party vote Democrat in 2020, Trump is toast.
Fun fact: Trump actually has the highest approval ratings of his own party (88%) of ANY president in the last 40 years, unless you include GWB right after 9/11. And Trump as had this consistently, for months!
I think the democrats are living in their own bubble, where they just dont realize that to a lot of people, things aren’t as bad as they think it is.
Yeah . It’s so desperate though that the Dems continue to try to convince Republicans why they shouldn’t support Trump .
I saw one on Twitter the other day saying Trump is a “liar” because he said Mexico was going to pay for the Wall . Like that’s really the biggest issue people are worried about .
A bigger thing was Obama saying Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread and prices would be cheap but they actually went way up ..
Just seems like the attacks from the left are so petty and desperate .
Same with the Russia stuff . Most Americans care about having a job or not , not Russia .
Republicans are living in their own bubble because they don't realize how unpopular Trump is outside of his base. He's the most polarizing President in many years if ever. He's worshiped almost as a messiah among his base but is despised by everyone else. That's the primary issue Trump faces running for re-election. If people who stayed home in 2016 or who voted third party vote Democrat in 2020, Trump is toast.
This is where you are wrong. He has approval of not just the base, but 88% of ALL Republicans! That was the point I was making. You guys think that JUST the base is holding him up. But you are wrong. He has the support of almost ALL republican voters.
He has both the lowest total approval level, while at the same time, having the HIGHEST approval level within his own party.
If it stays like this, it should make for an interesting election.
This is where you are wrong. He has approval of not just the base, but 88% of ALL Republicans! That was the point I was making. You guys think that JUST the base is holding him up. But you are wrong. He has the support of almost ALL republican voters.
He has both the lowest total approval level, while at the same time, having the HIGHEST approval level within his own party.
If it stays like this, it should make for an interesting election.
Yeah people seem to forget that he beat out , what was it 17 republican opponents ?
Including a Bush . Pretty much every other contender was given a better chance of winning versus Trump.
He also beat out a Clinton even though over $1 billion was spent and she had the media in her pocket .
This is where you are wrong. He has approval of not just the base, but 88% of ALL Republicans! That was the point I was making. You guys think that JUST the base is holding him up. But you are wrong. He has the support of almost ALL republican voters.
He has both the lowest total approval level, while at the same time, having the HIGHEST approval level within his own party.
If it stays like this, it should make for an interesting election.
Here’s where you’re wrong. He has an incredibly strong support among Republicans, but the number of voters identifying as Republicans has shrunk. The GOP is becoming less of a broad, big tent party and more of a smaller but ideologically pure and fervent Cult.
Nate Silver tweet: “I'd argue that a decline from ~28/29% of voters identifying as Republican to ~25/26% is not trivial, especially given that 28/29% is not too high to begin with. I'd also guess that those ex-Republicans have pretty lukewarm feelings on Trump.”
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This is where you are wrong. He has approval of not just the base, but 88% of ALL Republicans! That was the point I was making. You guys think that JUST the base is holding him up. But you are wrong. He has the support of almost ALL republican voters.
He has both the lowest total approval level, while at the same time, having the HIGHEST approval level within his own party.
If it stays like this, it should make for an interesting election.
Trump can't win with just Republicans. No matter how much the base, driven by their anger over the decline of white Christian America rallies behind Trump, if Independents don't come back Trump is toast.
And I think the polarization has to do with the media and the fact that most Republicans watch Fox News, which is basically pro-Trump propaganda. People who don't identify as Republicans likely get their news from mainstream sources which are much more critical of Trump.
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