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Old 07-28-2018, 10:05 PM
 
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Never know...isn't that true with about everything. Who is destined and who is not? That is the question. Do you have the answer to that one?

So you are admitting you have zero evidence that GSE does anything! Great!! Finally the truth comes out.

 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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So you are admitting you have zero evidence that GSE does anything! Great!! Finally the truth comes out.
I'm not admitting to anything, I'm repeating what another member said about destiny .... I had read tons of info and books and taken grape seed ex for over 2 decades....so that says something.,....and YOU?

There is NO guarantee to anything....no guarantees.

And there is a lot of info about anger and cancer.
 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm not admitting to anything, I'm repeating what another member said about destiny .... I had read tons of info and books and taken grape seed ex for over 2 decades....so that says something.,....and YOU?

There is NO guarantee to anything....no guarantees.
False, death and taxes are a certainty.
 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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... so that says something ...
No, it does not, since there is about a 50% chance you would never get cancer anyway.
 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:27 PM
 
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I'm not admitting to anything, I'm repeating what another member said about destiny .... I had read tons of info and books and taken grape seed ex for over 2 decades....so that says something.,....and YOU?

There is NO guarantee to anything....no guarantees.

And there is a lot of info about anger and cancer.
Sorry, but you can't unsay what you said on here. Reread your post. And the question was NOT about destiny it was about scientific evidence to support your claim that GSE prevents cancer. And you don't have any. None. Nada. Zip.
 
Old 07-29-2018, 02:29 AM
 
Location: CA
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I must agree – politics, or profits, or something else nefarious, seems to have stymied the “war on cancer” – that has been going on for how long? With near-zero advancement?

Unfortunately, it seems cancer treatments (or cures!) that are not “profitable” ($$$) are not likely to be scientifically researched or explored, nor picked up by the cancer treatment conglomerate. (The most profitable wing of the hospital!)

Here are 4 examples of some significant possibilities, if you care to look:

ONE:
Tripping Over the Truth; How the Metabolic Theory of Cancer Is Overturning One of Medicine's Most Entrenched Paradigms, by Travis Christofferson
https://www.amazon.com/Tripping-over...ustomerReviews

(Amazon) 87% 5-star rating of 356 reviews (including MDs and clinicians)

The return (from 1924) of the metabolic theory of cancer illuminates a new and hopeful path to a cure.

"Travis Christofferson provides a compelling historical account of how cancer has been misunderstood as a genetic disease when, in fact, it is a type of metabolic disease. Unlike normal cells, which obtain their energy from respiration, cancer cells have damaged respiration and obtain much of their energy from the primitive process of fermentation. Travis describes how the mutations in tumors arise as an effect of respiratory damage and cannot be the cause or drivers of cancer. The information presented in Tripping over the Truth will have profound consequences for how cancer is managed and prevented. Metabolic therapies will be more effective and less toxic than the current gene- or immune-based therapies and have the potential to significantly improve quality of life and long-term survival for millions of cancer patients worldwide.” -- Thomas N. Seyfried, PhD, author of Cancer as a Metabolic Disease

“I absolutely loved Dr. Seyfried’s book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, and Dr. Mukherjee’s book, The Emperor of all Maladies, but it was difficult to get my patients to read these two books to understand the history of cancer and the cancer industry, not to mention the movement from the somatic to the metabolic theory of cancer, both intimidating subjects. Then, along came Travis Christofferson’s brilliant, timely, and expertly consolidated book. It reads like a novel and is easy to comprehend for everyone interested in the new conversation around cancer and cancer care. I recommend it to patients, family, friends, and colleagues and refer back to it often.” -- Dr. Nasha Winters, ND, coauthor of The Metabolic Approach to Cancer

TWO:
Cancer as a Metabolic Disease: On the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer 1st Edition
By Thomas Seyfried
https://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Metabo...ustomerReviews

(Amazon) 71% 5-star rating of 90 reviews (scientific-level book)

I am a board-certified medical oncologist with 30 years’ experience in caring for cancer patients and another 20 years of research in cancer medicine dating back to 1963. Seyfried's "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease" is the most significant book I have read in my 50 years in this field. It should be required reading of all cancer specialists, physicians in general, scientific researchers in the field of cancer and for medical students. I cannot overstate what a valuable contribution Thomas Seyfried has made in writing this masterpiece.
Stephen B. Strum, MD, FACP
Medical Oncologist, Member of ASCO (American Society of Clinical Oncology) since 1975

THREE:
Cancer, Step Outside the Box, by Ty M. Bollinger
88% 5-star rating of 855 reviews
https://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Outsid...ustomerReviews

Ty Bollinger…. began a quest to learn all he possibly could about alternative cancer treatments and the medical industry. What he uncovered was shocking. There is ample evidence to support the allegation that the “war on cancer” is largely a fraud and that multinational pharmaceutical companies are “running the show.”

In 2011, Ty collaborated with his colleague, Dr. Michael Farley, to edit and publish a revolutionary book on medicinal herbs entitled, “A Guide to Understanding Herbal Medicines and Surviving the Coming Pharmaceutical Monopoly." Teaming up with Dr. Farley once more, in October 2012, Ty published “Work With Your Doctor To Diagnose and Cure 27 Ailments With Natural and Safe Methods.”

In 2013, Ty published “Monumental Myths of the Modern Medical Mafia and Mainstream Media and the Multitude of Lying Liars That Manufactured Them.” This exposé was written to help wake people up from their slumber, to help them unplug from the matrix, and to help them realize that almost every “official story” over the past century is nothing more than a “monumental myth” fabricated by those who want to control us and keep us asleep, deceived, and obedient. In early 2014, Ty teamed up with Robert Scott Bell to publish “Unlock the Power to Heal”.

FOUR:
Forgotten Genius: Royal Raymond Rife
https://behiveofhealing.com/forgotte...-raymond-rife/

(in part….)
Recently I read an article that explained how current research is using resonant frequency to destroy cancer cells. As exciting as that prospect is, it’s not a new approach. What surprised me most about the article was that it didn’t mention one of the greatest but long forgotten scientists of the 20th century, who many believe cured cancer by the same method 83 years ago.

Never having used his beam ray on a living creature, Rife introduced the BX virus into rats. Sure enough, they developed huge tumors. Using his beam ray to expose the tumors to their MOR, Rife was able to completely heal the rats. Seeing these incredible results, Dr. Johnson from USC insisted that it was time to try the beam ray on human patients. Rife was apprehensive, but insisted that if they were to have human trials, a research committee comprised of physicians at the top of the most prestigious medical associations had to be part of the proceedings. Dr. Johnson agreed and pulled a committee together that even included Dr. Alvin Ford, President of the American Association of Pathologists, a member Rife specifically requested.

The trials included 16 terminally ill patients with various cancers and were conducted at the Ella Scripps mansion and estate in La Jolla, CA in 1934. In just 70 days, the committee declared the first 14 patients cured of their cancer. The remaining two were declared cured three weeks later. Incredibly, the patients only required two 3-minute sessions per week to achieve total recovery. Rife found that more-frequent sessions didn’t allow the lymphatic system enough time to take up the released toxins from the destroyed virus and remove them from the body.

It’s exciting and enraging to think that cancer, along with many other diseases, was cured 83 years ago, and yet half a million people die from malignancies every year. As an institution mired in politics and money, the medical establishment seems to be the worst at killing its prophets and saints.

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Hopefully, in the ‘information age’ and ‘freedom of choice’, some of these ‘outside the box’ options may give cancer patients more information, tools, and possible options, whether used alongside ‘cut, burn, poison’ or explored alone – despite the current drivers of scientific research and the 'cancer treatment system'.

I hope so!!

Less sugar, more FAT! I’m down with that!!
GO Keto!!
 
Old 07-29-2018, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I must agree – politics, or profits, or something else nefarious, seems to have stymied the “war on cancer” – that has been going on for how long? With near-zero advancement?
"Near zero"? Then how come there are so many cancer survivors in the US?

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...ing/statistics

"In 2016, there were an estimated 15.5 million cancer survivors in the United States. The number of cancer survivors is expected to increase to 20.3 million by 2026."
 
Old 07-29-2018, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I'm not admitting to anything, I'm repeating what another member said about destiny .... I had read tons of info and books and taken grape seed ex for over 2 decades....so that says something.,....and YOU?

The only thing it says is that your cholesterol levels are probably low.


Grape seed extract will lower your cholesterol, but it won't stop cancer.


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I must agree – politics, or profits, or something else nefarious, seems to have stymied the “war on cancer” – that has been going on for how long? With near-zero advancement?

Cancer is purely genetic.



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"Travis Christofferson provides a compelling historical account of how cancer has been misunderstood as a genetic disease when, in fact, it is a type of metabolic disease. Unlike normal cells, which obtain their energy from respiration, cancer cells have damaged respiration....

Damaged caused a mutation in the cell when it reproduced.
 
Old 07-29-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: CA
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"Near zero"? Then how come there are so many cancer survivors in the US?

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...ing/statistics

"In 2016, there were an estimated 15.5 million cancer survivors in the United States. The number of cancer survivors is expected to increase to 20.3 million by 2026."

I know you know survival does not equal cure, and very frequently includes irreversible side effects, not to mention the ongoing fear of recurrence, and wondering if one could dodge it again.

“This year (2014) almost 600,000 Americans will die from cancer."

"One in two men and one in three women will be diagnosed in their lifetimes."

Cancer will likely overtake heart disease as the leading cause of death in US.

Yet…. “Cancer receives more funding from NIH than any other disease. Not to mention that it is under investigation at every major pharmaceutical company around the world.”

The Cancer Genome Project (TCGA) has not been as successful as hoped.


Unfortunately, not much 'winning'.
 
Old 07-29-2018, 08:27 PM
 
Location: CA
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Cancer is purely genetic.


Damaged caused a mutation in the cell when it reproduced.

The Cancer Genome Project (TCGA – The Cancer Genome Atlas), …..”so far has not yielded much data that is readily translatable to the treatment or prevention of cancer”. …It exposed an almost random collection of mutations – no single one, or any combination for that matter, being absolutely responsible for initiating disease. For the SMT (somatic mutation theory of cancer) to work, mutational patterns that explained the origin of a given type of cancer had to be found. The cause had to precede and explain the effect. Critically, the mutations determined to start and drive the disease were different from person to person, vastly different. …Other than a few commonly mutated oncogenes, the mutational pattern appeared largely random.”

Tripping Over the Truth, page xxv
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