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"In the most prosperous nation in the world, it is ludicrous that children are growing up in the kind of deprivation we normally associate with developing countries."
I can tell you EXACTLY WHY that happens...
Women on public assistance, as a group, have a 3 times higher birth rate than women (with or without partners) who support themselves and their children (Source: US Census Bureau), even though there are over 14,000 publicly funded family planning clinics located throughout the US (the VAST majority of which are county health department clinics so there's no excuse for lack of access or cost).
Anyone who understands compounded population growth projection will understand that this is a recipe for disaster. It's mathematically unsustainable. Period.
I'll give an example of the future consequences using the following formula (compounded population growth projection) and values, given the rate ratios we already know (non-poor : poor = 1 : 3), after a time period of 50 years (roughly, the time span of two generations), and using a small sample size for the sake of making an easier comparison.
The formula is:
present value x (e)^kt = future value
where e equals the constant 2.71828..., k equals the rate of increase (expressed as a decimal, e.g. 5% would be 0.05), and t is the number of years (or other unit, as long as it is the same as k) over which the growth is to be measured.
Given: 100 births/year. 52 non-poor. 48 poor.
k for the non-poor = 1% = 0.01
k for the poor = 3% = 0.03
Non-poor population after 50 years: 85.73
Poor population after 50 years: 215.12
They began at:
Non-poor: 52%
Poor: 48%
And after 50 years of population growth given the rate ratios we already know, that results in:
Non-poor: 28.5%
Poor: 71.5%
The poor/low-income are WAY overbreeding, encouraged and enabled to do so by all the freebie public assistance benefits they get. Do you recognize the problem for society that presents? What's the plan to PAY for that?
The percentage of the US population that cannot support themselves and their dependents will increase exponentially, while those paying taxes will be increasingly unable to pay enough to support them all. Add to that the millions of third-world poor immigrating illegally. And on top of all that, the continually growing poor population will not be paying enough (if anything at all) into SS and Medicare to sustain those programs. It's all completely mathematically unsustainable, and the US's society is already beginning to feel the effects.
The people who think growing the population regardless of that population's ability to pay into the system have just simply failed to think this through. It's not about "body count;" the added population has to be capable of contributing to the system, or the system collapses... implodes in on itself. That's the reality we're facing...
Birth rates fall as poverty decreases. If you want poor people to stop having more babies, the answer is to address poverty and education.
Birth rates fall as poverty decreases. If you want poor people to stop having more babies, the answer is to address poverty and education.
The rich and wealthy are having fewer babies than the poor. Since it seems that common consensus is that poor people can't birth a workforce, like rich people can, perhaps education should begin with the wealthy people.
It does matter when the birth rate declines to 1.75 that means there will not be enough people birthed to enter the workforce to sustain the economy. You believe it doesn't matter as those children born, will never work any way, well meet the new poor. The suburban poor ... btw, they hold jobs.
The changing geography of US poverty 16% of children born in poverty or a poor home, become successful, reducing the birth rate reduces the workforce, as well, no matter how you slice it, workforce replacement rates take a hit.
One of two things has to happen raise taxes or by way of immigrants raise a workforce, or both. Not multiplying by the way of birthing babies is not an viable option. For people to believe it is, is not logical.
84% don't, which means they have to be subsidized for life. They pay very little to no taxes and as such are an exponentially growing net drain on society.
As to what the rich want - as far as I can tell, the main concern of most of them is clutching onto their money for dear life. Studies have shown that they tend to be stingier and less compassionate.
I'm fascinated by the idea of a basic income, although I have no idea if it would work. It's not something I've studied, but I suspect that what's needed is intervention at a fairly young age - different values, different work ethic, different financial priorities, different lifestyle habits. So I don't know if simply giving adults money will help. But it's interesting!
By the way, I hope you know that the poor are obese mainly because of crappy food. You make a valid point that decades ago that wasn't true - and maybe that's because decades ago the poor still cooked their own food, without being able to resort to processed food laden with sugar and fat.
It does matter when the birth rate declines to 1.75 that means there will not be enough people birthed to enter the workforce to sustain the economy. You believe it doesn't matter as those children born, will never work any way, well meet the new poor. The suburban poor ... btw, they hold jobs.
The changing geography of US poverty
16% of children born in poverty or a poor home, become successful, reducing the birth rate reduces the workforce, as well, no matter how you slice it, workforce replacement rates take a hit.
One of two things has to happen raise taxes or by way of immigrants raise a workforce, or both. Not multiplying by the way of birthing babies is not an viable option. For people to believe it is, is not logical.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
84% don't, which means they have to be subsidized for life. They pay very little to no taxes and as such are an exponentially growing net drain on society.
Your solution is to reduce the birth rate more, therefore in the process, reducing the 16% of productive workers. How Some Kids Escape Poverty
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... while the authors recommend strategies such as housing vouchers that allow families to move out of segregated low-income neighborhoods to higher-income areas, they also call for improving the schools, security, and economic opportunities of disadvantaged neighborhoods. “We take a both/and approach to improving life chances through place,†says Nisha Patel, the executive director for the U.S. Partnership on Mobility from Poverty.
Such interventions could give the 84 percent of persistently poor children who aren’t succeeding a better chance of economic advancement. “There shouldn’t be millions of children whose probability of success is lowered simply by virtue of being born into certain circumstances,†Ratcliffe says.
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We already have public K-12 schools, run by teachers unions which donate 94% to Dem politicians. Why aren't THEY BOTH improving public education?
Maybe you're not aware of how bad the public education system is in the US:
... the states have most of the power over their own schools and what they teach (Education Commission of the States [ECS], 1999). The states set what the students will learn and what standards they have to meet. This means that if a child is meeting their grade level standard in Tennessee they may or may not be meeting the Virginia standards for that grade level. States try to decide what knowledge is imperative for students to learn before they move on to the next grade or even college (ECS, 1999). States also choose the standards that the teachers must meet (ECS, 1999). The state wants the teacher to be able to educate the students to achieve the set standards. There are things that every state requires, but each of them has their own variation.
Teachers do pay taxes, yes? Just checking ...
Education does seem to be one of the common consensus for lifting folks out of the poverty ... Child Poverty and Adult Success
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Low-income children caught up in their parents’ economic struggles experience the impact through unmet needs, low-quality schools, and unstable circumstances. Children as a group are disproportionately poor: roughly one in five live in poverty compared with one in eight adults (US Census Bureau 2014).
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Flexible policies that allow children to stay in the same school when a move takes them across school boundary lines could help children and the communities they live in when they complete school and enter the workforce. Federal policy targets some vulnerable populations (such as homeless and foster care children), allowing them to remain in the same school, but most low income children are left out. With a focus on restricted populations, school districts face challenges identifying eligible children and have adopted different strategies for identifying homeless children, including working with local social service providers and community organizations and developing inter agency working groups (Comey, Litschwartz, and Pettit 2012). Taking steps to provide stability for parents and children today could improve the outcomes of the next generation. (my bold)
By replacing the current safety net programs with the UBI or the NIT ... the 84% will have a better chance of obtaining a better education and/or provide a better education for their children. Regardless, it is (cash) money that will flow back into the economy by way of, fuel, clothing, food, ect. consumption.
As for as the politics of poverty, George Carlin puts that into perspective ...
The class war is currently dead at the moment, if not suspended in hiatus. Right now this country is in full culture war. The left had abandoned the class war due to Donald Trump winning the presidential election.
The class war is in full swing. The latest tax reform was the latest sign of it. Next up will be deep cuts to SS and Medicare. The ruling class has been waging war against the working class for 40 years now and they are not giving up, dont you believe it. They are winning.
Education does seem to be one of the common consensus for lifting folks out of the poverty ...
Explain how the following public education system results, realizing that minorities other than Asians are highly disproportionately poor, supposedly "lifts folks out of poverty" :
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:
Does anyone really wish to assert that Hispanic or Black students are actually that much less intelligent than White students? Or is it far more likely that our country's public K-12 education system is the largest, most wide-spread form of institutional racism there is in the U.S., thanks to Democrats?
BTW, it isn't a funding issue. Many school districts (e.g., Camden, NJ, Washington, DC, etc.) spend $20,000+ per student per year and still yield abysmal results.
Shut down the Border where thousands of poor illiterates pour across daily then we can talk about things like income Inequality, housing and wage increases.
Until Libs want to shut down the Border, you are just blowing smoke and will never accomplish anything to help the poor.
AGREE!!! It's the liberals who are making income inequality and the lack of affordable housing much worse. It's the liberals redefining minimum wage to now mean a "living wage".
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