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Old 07-27-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Earlier this Summer when the Supreme Court found in favor of Mark Janus over AFSCME, the Trump Administration sent Noel Francisco the Solicitor General to argue against the unions. The unions lost the fight to collect agency fees from people who received union benefits without public union memberships.

The description of the duties of the Solicitor General follow: https://www.justice.gov/osg
What also follows for those who have the time to read it are the arguments where the Trump Administration sides with Mark Janus against public unions: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...itedStates.pdf

There is another wrinkle. A Trump administration's appointee Jonathan Mitchell is now suing in several states for the agency fees to be paid back to those not interested in joining the unions. NY Times article follows: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/b...es-lawyer.html

An attorney working for the unions said that the unions should be very nervous about this action.

The unions in our country are being systematically destroyed and we are not bright enough to do anything about it. So, it's the weekend. Go get your 12 pack and vegetate in front of the idiot box like you've been doing for years.
President Trump facilitating the creation of millions of jobs outweighs some antiquated relic from a century ago called a labor union.
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Old 07-27-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Why should anyone who wishes NOT to join a union still have to pay dues to that union, which will give their money to Democrats? That seems un-American. Taking money by force and giving it to candidates one does not support isn't something our Founders would have supported at all.

What happened to "choice?" Democrats are supposed to be the Party of Choice, are they not? Apparently not.
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Old 07-27-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Nice sniveling.

It only affects public sector unions. Not private unions.

And I don’t drink alcohol and I have garbage to burn, so no TV for me.
It ought to apply to ALL unions.
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Old 07-27-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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It sure looks like President Trump is very in favor of Laborers, but perhaps not so in favor of Big Labor Bosses giving them so say in what their dues are used for or even in whether they should be forced to pay dues at all.

That's not "Bias", that's people oriented and not Union Boss oriented.
Wrong. Sorry, post fail.

The unions represent the best interest of it's members. That is what they are all about.

It is the same with any business association: Chamber of Commerce, Industry Trade Groups, American Medical Association, Bar Association etcetera.

It is possible to have incompetent or corrupt leadership in any organization, but the basic premise is a good one: represent the best interests of your members.

Modern companies are continually involved in the process of eliminating or weakening labor and trades unions in their operations (that is what the 'Human Resources' professionals are for). It is a major factor in the stagnation of wages even in booming economic times these days. Economic gains are not shared with the working people anymore because the unions are not able to fight for them, the increased revenues are generally all funneled to the owners and the wage/wealth gap keeps growing and growing ...
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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This should serve Trump’s base very well.
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: USA
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standing up for a working class guy when some thug union is taking money out of his pay check AGAINST HIS WILL is not anit-labor and is certainly PRO-WORKER.
Ha!

There really is a sucker born every minute.
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Trump's idiotic tariffs are a way to coerce Americans by proxy to buy UAW-made junk.

Seems like his leftist economic policies are actually designed to HELP unions.
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The pyramid scheme of public unions has always been a bad idea. Private unions are good. Public unions are extortion.
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Old 07-27-2018, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Wrong. Sorry, post fail.

The unions represent the best interest of it's members. That is what they are all about.

It is the same with any business association: Chamber of Commerce, Industry Trade Groups, American Medical Association, Bar Association etcetera.

It is possible to have incompetent or corrupt leadership in any organization, but the basic premise is a good one: represent the best interests of your members.

Modern companies are continually involved in the process of eliminating or weakening labor and trades unions in their operations (that is what the 'Human Resources' professionals are for). It is a major factor in the stagnation of wages even in booming economic times these days. Economic gains are not shared with the working people anymore because the unions are not able to fight for them, the increased revenues are generally all funneled to the owners and the wage/wealth gap keeps growing and growing ...

The two unions I have belonged to (currently a union member) have made clear that above all else they want mandatory membership as a condition of employment for whatever jobs they can attach their mandatory membership to.

They side with management in order to avoid conflict but also to punish anyone that makes waves (for them).

This situation might be different if we insisted that the nations that sell their products here also buy our products, but with the sort of one-way free trade agreements that we have, any company can simply move operations to China on a whim, so the employers always have the hammer.

Workers know it and the unions know it, so no one dares make demands.

Along comes President Trump with modest tariffs on imported aluminum and steel, and wadda you know, the same people that have been complaining the loudest about the decline of unions are the first to ***** about a potential trade war.

The reality in all this is that the left couldn't care less about the working class, unionized or not.

What they do care about is having lots of cheap crap from China to drive down prices at Walmart, even if it drives down wages for working Americans.

And they care about union funding of Democrat's campaigns, even if the government pork steered exclusively to unionized contractors and the corresponding union kick-backs amount to a publicly-funded money laundering operation paid for by the same workers most screwed by unions, Democrats and their self-serving relationship with the employer class.

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Old 07-27-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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yes.


what the Admin did was stand up for a working class guy and fought for him against a thug union taking $$$ out of the guys paycheck against his will. its un-American and despicable. Trump is the good guy here.
Against his will? But is he complaining about the benefits the union has negotiated on his behalf such as salary and benefits. Or does he just want the benefits without paying the dues. Unions have always been for the middle class. Just look at what teachers in many states have accomplished because they are a union. They not only got raises for themselves but also raises for the custodial staff. And we are talking about red states. Unions members are family and they stick together.
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