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Yes. This is what will be missed in this discussion, I predict.
As if lifelong well-known scam artist and cheat Donald Trump has any knowledge of what blue collar life is like, or as if he gives two rat craps about anyone who isn't his billionaire crony or a Russian oligarch he's indebted to.
Republicans don’t want even a minimum wage. They want rich and poor like the banana Republics. Pathetic. God forbid the workers get a piece of the money. This country is built on the backs of slave and cheap labor.
Republicans don’t want even a minimum wage. They want rich and poor like the banana Republics. Pathetic. God forbid the workers get a piece of the money. This country is built on the backs of slave and cheap labor.
Hogwash! Same old B.S. from the socialists.
It's the socialists that are turning us into a banana republic. The problem is that in order to provide all this "stuff" that the socialists want, somebody has to be taxed. When their money runs out ...or they have left the country ...then what? The recipients of all this "free" stuff are just consumers of the largesse produced by others. When you have more consumers than producers, the system collapses.
"Workers" (union speak for "employees") deserve to be paid the market value of the job performed. They are not owners of the company (unless they participate in an employee stock purchase program). As they gain experience and skills, they become of greater value to their employer, and in turn, they earn more money (employees are regularly reviewed, and according to their performance, they may earn a raise (if the company they work for is profitable ...if not, they need to go elsewhere). Union employees get pay raises that are not merit based. This goes against common sense. "Time in rank" isn't a valid reason for paying someone more money.
When I was working for small manufacturers (oceanographic instruments and ROV's), I always got a raise at review time, because I always went the extra mile in my job. I stayed late if necessary to finish a job, and I wasn't lined up at the door 15 minutes before quitting time, like so many hourly employees are (I've seen this almost every place I've worked) These people are the slackers, who do the bare minimum. And I guarantee you that every executive, every supervisor, knows who they are and makes a mental note. These people will not be among those candidates for advancement when opportunities arise.
Because of my work ethic, I was advanced from bench technician to field service. Travel and interaction with the customer was required; and good customer relations and communication skills absolutely necessary. The average union "grunt" doesn't possess these skills and has no desire to develop them. I was soon advanced into sales administration as a supervisor of that department. At another company I had seven women working for me, and I answered directly to the Marketing Manager. Finally, I ended up in direct sales. I was a "frequent flyer" before the airlines invented the term. You haven't lived till you've come home from a week of camping at Yosemite late on a Sunday night to find your boss waiting in your driveway with plane tickets to Houston for the next morning. True story!
Against his will? But is he complaining about the benefits the union has negotiated on his behalf such as salary and benefits. Or does he just want the benefits without paying the dues. Unions have always been for the middle class. Just look at what teachers in many states have accomplished because they are a union. They not only got raises for themselves but also raises for the custodial staff. And we are talking about red states. Unions members are family and they stick together.
Exactly. The non dues paying folks are looking for free stuff.
President Trump facilitating the creation of millions of jobs outweighs some antiquated relic from a century ago called a labor union.
If you have any benefits at all remember this phrase that was told to workers 100 years ago "if you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday". When the unions are destroyed you will hear that again, and you won't be paid for the sixth or seventh day either.
Where do you think that you've acquired the wisdom to call unions relics, Fox News? Why don't you look at your sources a bit more closely.
It's the socialists that are turning us into a banana republic. The problem is that in order to provide all this "stuff" that the socialists want, somebody has to be taxed. When their money runs out ...or they have left the country ...then what? The recipients of all this "free" stuff are just consumers of the largesse produced by others. When you have more consumers than producers, the system collapses.
Do you even know what a real Socialist is?
Fox says "we report, you decide". Do you understand they are deciding what gets reported and how?
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"Workers" (union speak for "employees") deserve to be paid the market value of the job performed. They are not owners of the company (unless they participate in an employee stock purchase program). As they gain experience and skills, they become of greater value to their employer, and in turn, they earn more money (employees are regularly reviewed, and according to their performance, they may earn a raise (if the company they work for is profitable ...if not, they need to go elsewhere). Union employees get pay raises that are not merit based. This goes against common sense. "Time in rank" isn't a valid reason for paying someone more money.
When you have a skill that cannot be easily duplicated in the market place there's no question that you will thrive, but know this;if your employer can drive down your salary with a plane load of H-1bs, they will.
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When I was working for small manufacturers (oceanographic instruments and ROV's), I always got a raise at review time, because I always went the extra mile in my job. I stayed late if necessary to finish a job, and I wasn't lined up at the door 15 minutes before quitting time, like so many hourly employees are (I've seen this almost every place I've worked) These people are the slackers, who do the bare minimum. And I guarantee you that every executive, every supervisor, knows who they are and makes a mental note. These people will not be among those candidates for advancement when opportunities arise.
Because of my work ethic, I was advanced from bench technician to field service. Travel and interaction with the customer was required; and good customer relations and communication skills absolutely necessary. The average union "grunt" doesn't possess these skills and has no desire to develop them. I was soon advanced into sales administration as a supervisor of that department. At another company I had seven women working for me, and I answered directly to the Marketing Manager. Finally, I ended up in direct sales. I was a "frequent flyer" before the airlines invented the term. You haven't lived till you've come home from a week of camping at Yosemite late on a Sunday night to find your boss waiting in your driveway with plane tickets to Houston for the next morning. True story!
Why is it that you needed to move from company to company? Something doesn't feel right with your explanation. Shouldn't you have done well at one place like so many hard workers claim? Union grunts happily work overtime also because there is a direct correlation between effort and reward. Many places don't deserve the extra effort that you put in, because they take the extra effort and give nothing.
Earlier this Summer when the Supreme Court found in favor of Mark Janus over AFSCME, the Trump Administration sent Noel Francisco the Solicitor General to argue against the unions. The unions lost the fight to collect agency fees from people who received union benefits without public union memberships.
There is another wrinkle. A Trump administration's appointee Jonathan Mitchell is now suing in several states for the agency fees to be paid back to those not interested in joining the unions. NY Times article follows: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/b...es-lawyer.html
An attorney working for the unions said that the unions should be very nervous about this action.
The unions in our country are being systematically destroyed and we are not bright enough to do anything about it. So, it's the weekend. Go get your 12 pack and vegetate in front of the idiot box like you've been doing for years.
You do realize this is policy or law has to do with public service unions and not all unions don't you? As for what an attorney working for the unions has to say, I doubt many of us really care. There are good lawyers and bad ones, some a greedy which could very well be the case with this one. Who knows and who really cares. Oh and lets really get excited about what the NYTimes has to say?
Did any of you read the links that I gave you?
What he says and what he tweets is all theater. It is what he is doing that is harmful.
and how you are choosing to understand what he is saying is very biased. So maybe it works on both sides. I have to say, unions served a purpose in our country 100 years ago, they no longer do and the higher ups are the ones that make all the money, taking from the little guy that can't understand what is going on. They just go along, believing what the union leaders are selling them.
Oh and as for anyone who thinks there should be no min wage, well what about those who think some of these union workers should be paid amounts almost equal to doctors is some cases. $50 an hour or more, with little or no overhead and probably no education to speak of? Of course some love their unions, why wouldn't they?
i have no love for unions - sheet metal workers in LA get $65/ per hour to hang duct? ridiculous - unions wages are out of control and dont reflect the actual wages paid throughout the US
Davis Bacon is a bunch of crap and should be outlawed
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