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Not trying to be. The way it works now makes sense in my eyes because you take some and give some. Like how every cell in your body takes some and gives some.
"Take some" for your causes violates the rights of the individual. When you rob Peter to give to Paul, you can always count on Pauls support.
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If the country was a living organism then we'd be the cells keeping it alive.
lol Is this the big toe speech we heard in Stripes?
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Our taxes are to keep the basic elements functioning so we can go about our lives while everything works like clockwork.
Before the income tax we did quite well. We had roads, schools, bridges, been in a lot of wars and didn't loose any.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't things simpler back in the 1910s and earlier?
Life was much harder back then. Technology has made our lives easier.
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I have a feeling there are fewer items in my grocery bag but my bill has gone up. The grocery receipts educated me on that. Same items week in and out same store. Last month or so I v got fewer groceries and fewer dollars at the end of each week. Nice e thing about econ is its math. So I can use the word "feelings " or not, and still have an accurate read that Donald has robbed from the poor to give to the rich.
That's what increased spending and debt does. It devalues the dollar. The inflation tax.
If by anarchist you mean somone with morals then yes. Explain to everyone here why it's greedy to keep the money you earned but isn't greedy for others to steal it?
It's called a social contract, and your acceptance of it is implied by your continued citizenship in the country with its Constitution, which spells out the duties of Congress to tax the citizens to pay the country's bills.
If you do not accept that the government exists for the good of all and should be abolished, you are an anarchist. Conflating money and morals, BTW, is a particularly bad stab at an analogy.
It's called a social contract, and your acceptance of it is implied by your continued citizenship in the country with its Constitution, which spells out the duties of Congress to tax the citizens to pay the country's bills.
lol No it's not. If that were the truth then why did it take until 1913 to have a Federal Income tax?
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If you do not accept that the government exists for the good of all and should be abolished, you are an anarchist. Conflating money and morals, BTW, is a particularly bad stab at an analogy.
You're the one saying it should be abolished. It's about the small role, like the founders intended.
To put the word moral in with the word government is repugnant. Slavery was moral? Putting Japanese Americans in jail during WW2 because they were of Japanese descent was moral? Jim Crow was moral? Plowing crops under while people were starving during the Great Depression was moral? If you think government using force and coercion to get what they want is moral you don't understand the definition of moral. That's not how society progresses, that's how the Mafia progresses.
Allegedly, the GOP "Tax Cuts" were intended to stimulate business development and hiring, at a time when unemployment was already at a 17-year record low (Thanks, Obama!). It wasn't difficult to predict that the "Tax Cuts" were nothing more than a giveaway to the 1%. Now the numbers are coming in, and if you aren't a CEO, it ain't real prettyput there.
Add to that the prices of manufactured goods and everything that moves by rail and truck rising because of the absurd tariffs and the misbegotten Trade War, and "Make America Great Again" actually means "Make America 1931 Again".
wow, corporations tax payments to the US treasury dropped 32%? And individuals tax payments to the US Treasury increased 8%? That's a pretty big deal. Continued bad news for liberals and other friends of the social safety net / US infrastructure.
Allegedly, the GOP "Tax Cuts" were intended to stimulate business development and hiring, at a time when unemployment was already at a 17-year record low (Thanks, Obama!). It wasn't difficult to predict that the "Tax Cuts" were nothing more than a giveaway to the 1%. Now the numbers are coming in, and if you aren't a CEO, it ain't real prettyput there.
Add to that the prices of manufactured goods and everything that moves by rail and truck rising because of the absurd tariffs and the misbegotten Trade War, and "Make America Great Again" actually means "Make America 1931 Again".
lol No it's not. If that were the truth then why did it take until 1913 to have a Federal Income tax?
You're the one saying it should be abolished. It's about the small role, like the founders intended.
To put the word moral in with the word government is repugnant. Slavery was moral? Putting Japanese Americans in jail during WW2 because they were of Japanese descent was moral? Jim Crow was moral? Plowing crops under while people were starving during the Great Depression was moral? If you think government using force and coercion to get what they want is moral you don't understand the definition of moral. That's not how society progresses, that's how the Mafia progresses.
The Founders intended for taxes to be levied to pay the expenses of the country. That's why they specifically wrote it into the Constitution.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
The 16th Amendment was added in 1913 specifically to deal with taxes on income. Still part of the Constitution, still legal and Constitutional. Take it up with Congress if you have a beef.
16A: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
The Founders intended for taxes to be levied to pay the expenses of the country. That's why they specifically wrote it into the Constitution.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
The 16th Amendment was added in 1913 specifically to deal with taxes on income. Still part of the Constitution, still legal and Constitutional.
So which is it? The social contract that didn't have a Federal income for most of this countries "life" or the social contract starting from 1913?
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Take it up with Congress if you have a beef.
In other words you're trying to end the discussion because you don't have a leg to stand on. So you were okay with Slavery, Putting Japanese Americans in jail during WW2, Jim Crow, Plowing crops under while people were starving, because after all government said. Do as you're told mundane. Government owns you.
Speaking of beef how'd that little thing with Upton Sinclair and government perpetuating fraud on the public work? Good ole government. Lets tax even more and grow government because they really, really help.
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16A: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Why was 1% good enough in 1913?
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