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Old 11-27-2018, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
Link or just speculation?
Heard on some of the networks related to NY Times article posted above and here.


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The arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with the special counsel’s office when prosecutors discovered it after Mr. Manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. Some legal experts speculated that it was a bid by Mr. Manafort for a presidential pardon even as he worked with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in hopes of a lighter sentence.
Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of the president’s personal lawyers, acknowledged the arrangement on Tuesday and defended it as a source of valuable insights into the special counsel’s inquiry and where it was headed. Such information could help shape a legal defense strategy, and it also appeared to give Mr. Trump and his legal advisers ammunition in their public relations campaign against Mr. Mueller’s office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/u...operation.html

If Manafort had a cooperation agreement how the heck can his lawyers brief the Trump legal team on the investigation. Giuliani even acknowledged that was the case, I would love to hear the judges statements when they get to sentencing.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:50 PM
 
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Lock him.up.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: United States
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Heard on some of the networks related to NY Times article posted above and here.





https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/u...operation.html

If Manafort had a cooperation agreement how the heck can his lawyers brief the Trump legal team on the investigation. Giuliani even acknowledged that was the case, I would love to hear the judges statements when they get to sentencing.

It happens, and is perfectly legal.

The narrative that Manafort was Mueller's star witness has seemed to completely collapsed.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It happens, and is perfectly legal.

The narrative that Manafort was Mueller's star witness has seemed to completely collapsed.
So the cooperation agreement didn't prevent disclosure to other legal defense teams, the defendants lawyers had free reign to go share details on the Mueller investigation even possible future targets.


Do you have any examples to offer?
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:00 PM
 
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Keep hoping, he's obviously not and is on a witch hunt. If he was interested in true justice, the person he just gave immunity to for doing the same thing Manafort did would be on trial as well. See, Mueller has himself in a conundrum here since all this happened under his nose while he was head of the FBI same with Comey. If he was interested in real corruption he would be investigating HRC's connections to the Russians as well and all her pay to play schemes along with the collusion with Russia for the fake dossier but yet he isn't. Anyone who thinks he is doing this for true justice is a blind idiot.
To the victor go the spoils.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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It happens, and is perfectly legal.

The narrative that Manafort was Mueller's star witness has seemed to completely collapsed.
Mueller has knowledge on some of the information coming from Manafort already. It could be from others that took deals or information that is not available to the public. Mueller's investigation is airtight. There are no leaks from his investigation. He is lining them up one by one until he has all his evidence to throw at the big fish. Either way, Manafort is going away for a while. Mueller's investigation isn't stagnant. It's very active.
According to some attorneys, Manafort has been playing a corrupt game with foreign entities for decades.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:10 PM
 
Location: United States
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So the cooperation agreement didn't prevent disclosure to other legal defense teams, the defendants lawyers had free reign to go share details on the Mueller investigation even possible future targets.


Do you have any examples to offer?
I haven't heard anyone say that was in the agreement.

There was no mention of Manafort violating the agreement by sharing information in Mueller's recent court filing.




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Mueller has knowledge on some of the information coming from Manafort already. It could be from others that took deals or information that is not available to the public. Mueller's investigation is airtight. There are no leaks from his investigation. He is lining them up one by one until he has all his evidence to throw at the big fish. Either way, Manafort is going away for a while. Mueller's investigation isn't stagnant. It's very active.
According to some attorneys, Manafort has been playing a corrupt game with foreign entities for decades.
So were the Podestas.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I haven't heard anyone say that was in the agreement.

There was no mention of Manafort violating the agreement by sharing information in Mueller's recent court filing.






So were the Podestas.
If you watch any news station that is the case, it was in the agreement or are you questioning that Manafort entered into a plea deal. Every opinion I heard indicates this is a serious problem.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:47 PM
 
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I haven't heard anyone say that was in the agreement.

There was no mention of Manafort violating the agreement by sharing information in Mueller's recent court filing.






So were the Podestas.
But Manafort is the current defendant. We can assume there are people in current and past government operating illegally with foreign entities. But Mueller's job doesn't include those people.
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Old 11-28-2018, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The Guardian article is quite specific about where the information is coming from:

"A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”."
The Ecuadoran Embassy in London keeps very close tabs on who visits Assange. Very few visitor requests are permitted at all, so the list is very short.

Even his lawyer has a hard time visiting him, and after Assange got into a squabble with his hosts, he lost all access to the internet, has limited telephone use, and all his mail is scrutinized.

Assange hasn't gone outdoors for over 6 years now. He could walk around the Embassy courtyard, but the Ecuadorians won't let him. He isn't in solitary confinement, but it's mighty close to it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/isol...ry?id=57475632

https://www.thedailybeast.com/unkemp...at-for-company

He is about the easiest guy in the world to keep track of, and the embassy staff doesn't care about keeping his visitors' names secret. Anyone with credentials can get a list of the names. Roger Stone was on the list, along with several others that have recently been interviewed. So was Paul Manafort.

Manafort may have thought he could get away with telling the investigators half-truths, but he's dealing with a guy who was the FBI Director for 12 years, and has personal connections with the CIA, DHS, and every other security agency in our government. Mueller has ways of verifying everything Manafort said.

Who knows why Manafort lied? There are several possible reasons. There are also several possible reasons why Mueller decided to slam Manafort's hand in the door right now, too.
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