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Originally Posted by QweffL
I don't necessarily oppose the idea of universal healthcare I'm just skeptical about the prospects. Especially about single-payer system, especially in a country with 300+ million people, and especially when the main driver for it is someone with zero accomplishments in his long political career and doesn't provide any details beyond populistic slogans and promises that things will go incredibly smooth as long as those evil corporate interests don't get in a way.
Another problem millennials don't seem to understand is that "Medicare for everyone" with a price tag of 32 trillion will require tax hikes for everyone unlike they ever seen. Being promised Medicare and making Koch brothers pay for it is one thing, but when you'll have to chip in with probably more than 50% of your paycheck, that's something else entirely.
There are lots of diference systems and models to choose from and what migh be right for one country is not right for another. For instance the British NHS system would not be right for the US, however the French or German system where most general physicians are in private practice but draw their income from the public insurance funds.
In Germany the healthcare funds are often self managed, and the system is a mixture of the public and private based on compulsory insurance for all.
The French system is slightly different but is still based on the social insurance model. The Workd Health Organisation stated that French healthcare is "close to best overall health care" in the world.
...and capitalism, and every single other socioeconomic construct that ever has existed. They all ultimately implode or explode or fizzle out, typically because of the human capacity for greed and corruption.
Everything falls apart eventually, to die off forever or be transformed into something else.
I was just reading where Jeff Bezos was getting skewered for Amazon not providing health care benefits to injured employees.
We can all stop ordering from Amazon now.
Since every other 1st world nation manages to spend 10-12% of GDP instead of 18%, covering everybody, while paying 35-45% in taxes. Those on the 40-45% tax rates also have a much larger safety net.
So I don´t see and belive why in the US, everybody would magically have to pay 50% of their paycheck?
The US government already spends more on health care per person than any other government in the world. And that's just to cover the small portion of the population when other governments are able to cover everyone. Expanding Medicare to everyone isn't going to automatically cut down the costs. So unless they have a plan to drive the costs down (which I've not heard of), tax hikes for everyone are inevitable.
And what if you loose your job? Or, the threat of job loss, when a new employer can´t offer an equal or better health insurance.
Health insurance has now suddenly become a bargaining tool for the Corps.. people stop demanding better work condition, better pay, etc etc, when there is a real possibility that they and their family will be left without health insurance from their employer.
Similarly, it would be very difficult to convince someone with existing coverage, which isn't perfect but seems to be doing the job without you going broke, to give it up for some murky prospects predicated on a lot of maybes. Like "maybe you'll get to keep your current doctor (though you probably won't)", "maybe your employer will give you a solid raise, since they no longer have to provide insurance", "maybe the new government-financed health care system will be as good as your existing one with the same standards of access and comfort."
I know it's easy for universal health-care proponents to dismiss a lot of these people as dumbasses who don't know what's the best for them, but a lot of us are asking these questions and we're not exactly getting the straight answers.
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Or.. you want to start a new business, because you have the dream, ambition, but don´t dare quit the job you hate, because your family is provided with health insurance through your job.
New businesses are started all the time. I don't remember anyone saying "Geez I wish I could open my own business, but I can't because I'll lose health insurance from my current employer." Probably because that would be the most ridiculous excuse ever.
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Its strange how US wages has been stagnant the last 40 years, while other 1st world nations has seen a rise in their incomes, because their Universal healthcare system, is not a drain on their private industries, which has to pay part of the ever increasing insurance costs.
Stagnant for 40 years yet still manages to be higher than most 1st world nations and only get beaten by Scandinavia, Australia and some filthy rich city-states like Macau and Luxembourg.
My employer provides excellent health insurance as a benefit of my employment.
Most working Americans enjoy this same healthcare benefit courtesy of their employer.
Why would we impose new taxes on working Americans so that we can give that money back to the 0.1% employer class/international corporations that are currently providing health care insurance as a fringe benefit to their employees?
Because God forbids you lose your job, runs out of money, got very sick, goes to the emergency room and now we taxpayers have to pay for your expensive care.
Hospitals do get help with the unpaid bills – from taxpayers.
The majority of hospitals are non-profits and are exempt from federal, state and local taxes if they provide a community benefit, such as charitable care. Hospitals also receive federal funding to offset some of the costs of treating the poor.
Because God forbids you lose your job, runs out of money, got very sick, goes to the emergency room and now we taxpayers have to pay for your expensive care.
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and now YOU (the taxpayer) will pay through the nose for everyone
medicare for all (a costly 75/25% INSURANCE) will cost 4+ trillion annually,
only 80 million taxpayers..... that averages out to 50k per taxpayer... can you afford that?
actual singlepayer (100% coverage for all) cost 6+ trillion annually, (that is almost double the current federal budget)
only 80 million taxpayers..... that averages out to 75k per taxpayer... can you afford that?
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