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You say "so many" and want others to provide more info but then you do that same. Canada doesn't except for things not covered. ie: dental.
It is MORE then just dental.
Prescription CAN cost a LOT.
"Private Health Insurance- While the health care system in Canada covers basic services, including primary care physicians and hospitals, there are many services that are not covered. These include things like dental services, optometrists, and prescription medications.
Private health insurance plans are usually offered as part of employee benefit packages in many companies. Incentives usually include vision and dental care. Alternatively, Canadians can purchase insurance packages from private insurance providers. The main reason many choose to purchase private insurance is to supplement primary health coverage. For those requiring services that may not be covered under provincial health insurance such as corrective lenses, medications, or home care, a private insurance plan offsets such medical expenses."
"Private Clinics - In addition to public health care providers such as primary care doctors and hospitals, many private clinics offering specialized services also operate in Canada.
Under federal law, private clinics are not legally allowed to provide services covered by the Canada Health Act. Regardless of this legal issue, many do offer such services.
The advantage of private clinics is that they typically offer services with reduced wait times compared to the public health care system. For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic."
( my wife was diagnosed with cancer and needed an MRI. Afterward the doctors said the ONLY THING that SAVED her was CATCHING IT SO EARLY. Thee is no telling what COULD have happened IF she had to wait for an MRI)
"The availability of physicians depends largely on the number of doctors and the current demand for medical services. Currently there is about 1 primary care doctor for every 1000 Canadians."
"http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page8.html
So I say AGAIN, IF gov't run health care is SO good and the answer to all, why is PRIVATE care ALLOWED and needed?
the people are paying for wars and a whole host of underfunded welfare schemes through inflation (money creation) Did you think the military industrial complex ran on helium?
I don't know. Europeans are ok funding such system, while in US many feel they are paying for someone else, and do not seem to understand they are paying for themselves. Scandinavians did not elect such system to pay for others, they elected it for themselves. Americans can't stop being bothered by the fact that the system benefits others too. They will always think they are the only ones paying into it, and others are taking it for free. Mindset indeed.
BUT that IS the point. You help me, I help you. As a society.
When someone is out of work (think the 2008 crisis), everyone still working helps. Maybe one day, that person working again will be helping YOU through a medical concern for example.
Your system really seem strange to me, and to be totally honest, very selfish. Sorry for that.
Yes but logical thinking is : what do I get in return? If you need to pay out of your pocket to get all the services I mentionned (and there are many more), how is that a good deal?
I often see your posts on progressive taxes, but don't forget that as in the USA, 50% of the population here don't pay taxes either (well, they pay from their salaries if they work but if very low salary, compensated by public aids for housing, etc), but they don't pay "national taxes" if under a defined low salary)
100% false. They pay the national VAT. The US has no national VAT.
And are you sure 50% of France's population pays no income tax? The lowest tax bracket starts at an income of the equivalent of $11,365. Are you seriously asserting that 50% of France's population earns less than that?
BUT that IS the point. You help me, I help you. As a society.
When someone is out of work (think the 2008 crisis), everyone still working helps. Maybe one day, that person working again will be helping YOU through a medical concern for example.
Your system really seem strange to me, and to be toally honest, very selfish. Sorry for that.
Its not "help" when the money is stolen
taxes are theft
The robbers just told you the money they took from you was to help and you believed them.
Even the doctors and most health care pros say our system sucks.....at this point, defending it is a moot point. We pay double and get less and have tens of millions uninsured.
No need to quibble about the details. Our life spans are shorter, our infant and maternal mortality higher and our costs 40% to 100% higher.
Your "proof" about buying extra insurance means nothing. That's the beauty of universal health care - other markets can develop in "luxury" or other health care. But the basics are taken care of so you have an educated and healthy populations of citizens, voters and workers.
Note, in China....developed Southern China, you can walk into the most modern hospital without an appointment with a broken bone (for example) and within a few hours have:
1. Basic check
2. Sent to specialist
3. MRI's
4. Back to specialist for bone repair and setup
5. Walk out of the hospital.
Cost? About $200.
In the USA you can do the same for many thousands of dollars and an incredible amount of paperwork. Now...China isn't "Socialist", more like Communist....just showing that our system is not even in the realm.
I'm not "addicted" to a socialist universal system. BUT, the millions who work in the medical field want their pounds of flesh - the Romneys, Frists, Rick Scotts and others...and they are not about to be written out of the cash cow. That's why even a Socialist system will not save us money yet...just give better coverage and cover all.
We could "blow up" the current system 100% and do it like China....but I'm a realist and there are too many selfish interests in the USA for that to happen.
BTW, Socialist Cuba spends about $400 per year per person for the same outcomes as the USA. We spend 11K. Actually, they have a little LONGER of a life expectancy.
Something is very wrong in River City. The only reasons you may not care are:
1. You somehow got yours...or think so anyway.
2. You profit off these ridiculous prices
or
3. You enjoy our nation not reaching its potential...by having government paying 2/3 of the health care costs out of debt and deficit to be passed on to your children.
So, which is all..some or all?
"Sorry, we've had this discussion many a time.
Even the doctors and most health care pros say our system sucks."
They do NOT.
" We pay double and get less and have tens of millions uninsured."
We do NOT pay DOUBLE.
You are so over the top there is no use trying to have an HONEST discussion with you.
I note you did NOT address "provide" and "promote" which you claimed the Constitution says we ARE OBLIGATED to provide health care under it.
100% false. They pay the national VAT. The US has no national VAT.
And are you sure 50% of France's population pays no income tax? The lowest tax bracket starts at an income of the equivalent of $11,365. Are you seriously asserting that 50% of France's population earns less than that?
I wasn't talking about VAT. We have a system where from the salary your employer gives you is taken unemployment tax, social security taxes, etc. It amounts to about a third.
Then once a year (though payable in three trimesters), we are taxed on our whole income and properties.
But thanks for correcting me, it's not 50% who don't pay these national taxes, it's more like 60%.
all of these socialist systems have healthcare for the rich and other healthcare for the poor. People don't care what it costs because they know they won't be paying for it.
Odd, I know I will be paying for it so obviously you are wrong.
"Private Health Insurance- While the health care system in Canada covers basic services, including primary care physicians and hospitals, there are many services that are not covered. These include things like dental services, optometrists, and prescription medications.
Private health insurance plans are usually offered as part of employee benefit packages in many companies. Incentives usually include vision and dental care. Alternatively, Canadians can purchase insurance packages from private insurance providers. The main reason many choose to purchase private insurance is to supplement primary health coverage. For those requiring services that may not be covered under provincial health insurance such as corrective lenses, medications, or home care, a private insurance plan offsets such medical expenses."
"Private Clinics - In addition to public health care providers such as primary care doctors and hospitals, many private clinics offering specialized services also operate in Canada.
Under federal law, private clinics are not legally allowed to provide services covered by the Canada Health Act. Regardless of this legal issue, many do offer such services.
The advantage of private clinics is that they typically offer services with reduced wait times compared to the public health care system. For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic."
( my wife was diagnosed with cancer and needed an MRI. Afterward the doctors said the ONLY THING that SAVED her was CATCHING IT SO EARLY. Thee is no telling what COULD have happened IF she had to wait for an MRI)
"The availability of physicians depends largely on the number of doctors and the current demand for medical services. Currently there is about 1 primary care doctor for every 1000 Canadians."
"http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page8.html
So I say AGAIN, IF gov't run health care is SO good and the answer to all, why is PRIVATE care ALLOWED and needed?
That's what I said.......for things not covered. Basic health care is covered. If you get sick, you go to the doctor and you don't worry about it. As we know, things like prescription medicines are far cheaper in Canada also.
I wasn't talking about VAT. We have a system where from the salary your employer gives you is taken unemployment tax, social security taxes, etc. It amounts to about a third.
Then once a year (though payable in three trimesters), we are taxed on our whole income and properties.
But thanks for correcting me, it's not 50% who don't pay these national taxes, it's more like 60%.
(sorry, couldn't find an english language website, but the title of the article is easily understandable I think)
And, even if you have no national VAT, every state has one (except for one or two, if my memory is correct)
Sounds like europeans dont trust themselves to manage their own affairs.
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