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Old 08-06-2018, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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the First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. It prohibits any laws, regulations, policies, from ANY ENTITY that establish a national religion, impede the free exercise of religion, abridge the freedom of speech, infringe upon the freedom of the press, interfere with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibit citizens from petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or regulation from any other entity



according to Cornell law..... Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the First Amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through any form of publication and/or dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression.

it can be argued that...."""" It allows an individual(((Jones)) to express themselves through any form of publication ((YouTube)) and/or dissemination.
Youtube is it's own company, with its own terms of service, just like here at CD, and if you break the rules, you get dinged for it. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. He agreed to the TOS when creating the account, he then broke the rules (over, and over) and was finally canned.

He is FREE to express whatever the heck he wants to. That doesn't mean he's free from judgement, or getting banned from the content provider he had an agreement with when he clicked on agreeing to the TOS.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:42 PM
 
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the First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. It prohibits any laws, regulations, policies, from ANY ENTITY that establish a national religion, impede the free exercise of religion, abridge the freedom of speech, infringe upon the freedom of the press, interfere with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibit citizens from petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or regulation from any other entity



according to Cornell law..... Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the First Amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through any form of publication and/or dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression.

it can be argued that...."""" It allows an individual(((Jones)) to express themselves through any form of publication ((YouTube)) and/or dissemination.
Besides leaving out the link to where you pasted this from (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment), you left off the sentence following that paragraph.

"It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general."

No one has a right to make a non-governmental company carry their message. Can I march off to a book publishing company and say they have to publish any book I want, regardless of content? Nope. I can find a publishing company that will or make the effort to self publish.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:04 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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A suit against these social media outlets is not out of the realm of possibility. In NJ, you have a constitutional right to free speech in certain places, like malls, even if those places are privately owned. I wonder if someone like Jones will bring suit under a similar theory.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Youtube has joined the free speech police. The video channel has been terminated.
Better prediction than, the weatherman, pollsters and political pundits:

"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. " Nikita Kruschev
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:25 PM
 
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Better prediction than, the weatherman, pollsters and political pundits:

"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. " Nikita Kruschev
Yes a quote....from a government leader. About a government doing things. Does not apply to this circumstance.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It doesn't have to be a first amendment violation in a legal sense to be wrong.
Or to be right. It all depends on whose ox is being gored, apparently. I seriously doubt any conservative would rush to the defense of The Young Turks if Cenk Uygur was to ever be banned on UTube.

Except to those who own UTube. They have already made their thoughts on what consists of their limits to free speech very plain.

The ultimate choice is still with the viewer/user. If you want to follow their rules, you're welcome to do so. If not, then don't bother joining if you intend to break them. Obviously the UTube owners will allow controversy, but put limits on how far the controversy can go.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:31 AM
 
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Had Net Neutrality passed, they would have taken down his website too. Not just his social media reach.
This is as preposterous as it gets. Please read on the basics of net neutrality. It is the EXACT opposite. Geez, this is how misinformation spreads. With abolishing net neutrality, Google can pay ISPs to reduce traffic to infowars. Get a clue man.
Alex Jones is a scum who makes money by selling conspiracy theories to the gullible. Anyone who defends him is beyond any help.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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youtube is in the public domain

No. The public domain is public property, and UTube is not public. It is private property/

youtube is a media broadcasting entity... it is journalism 101

No. It's the internet equivalent of an amusement park that allows a few folks to stand on soapboxes and preach.


1st amendment is freedom of the press... youtube is a modern press.. people post videos of news, controversies, politics, etc

No. UTube is not responsible for the validity of anything members post on it. The press is.
Facts have to be verified as such by the press. UTube doesn't present anything that needs to be proven a fact as long as a lie does not harm anyone.

Political thought does not dominate UTube. Videos of babies and puppies and everyday life dominate. History, music, movie trailers, and many other types of videos all draw more attention than politics on UTube.


no matter how much of an idiot jones is..now matter how much he makes your blood boil...no matter what kind of garbage he spews...he is protected under the 1st amendment which very much does cover not only that idiot jones, but the media rag (journalism) of youtube… they can NOT deny his freedom and rights to post his lousy form of journalism

Alex Jones doesn't have any special 1st Amendment rights. The government cannot censor him. But UTube can, because he broke the contract he made with them. A different set of rights.

what's next...people say Walter Cronkite's videos are garbage let's ban them.... nope that truly would be fascism.... banning, boycotting, protesting, violence, all tools of the fascists...

The public can yell their heads off about anyone and call whatever they want garbage. Since UTube owns their property, they are the ultimate decision makers on the content they provide. Walter Cronkite wouldn't have any problem with that. His network made the same decisions in his day, and people yelled about them, too.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:45 AM
 
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uhm…

a newspaper is a platform....
a tv broadcast is a platform

are you for banning Maddow, Cronkite(RIP), Sawyer, Hannity ets…

are you AGAINST the 1st amendment... how do you fascist liberals sit there an say ""the 1st amendment is the most important"", then turn around an spit on it????


what about those college kids back in the 2000's posting their videos about "9/11 being an inside job... liberals CHEERED, said we need to impeach and jail Bush"..... why are liberals so two-faced with these conspiracy theories... if its against a republican, its great, its the 1st amendment... if it points to a liberal..omg.. ban, boycott, potest, and violence, nope not 1st amendment protected ….

liberals the two-faced, forked tongued monster
I'm not banning anything.

What in God's name are you even arguing?

A platform has a choice for what content goes on their platform. MSNBC makes a choice to show Maddow. Fox News makes a choice to air whatever content they want.

YouTube has the right to censor content on their platform.

Don't like it? Other platforms on the internet exist.

Free speech has never meant what you seem to imply that it means. You might want to read the first amendment. It is about government infringement, interference, and retaliation. YouTube and Google are not the government.

Freedom of speech has never (ever) meant freedom to all platforms to shout said speech. Nor has it ever meant freedom from all consequences.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:48 AM
 
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does the NYT not do op-eds... that is ""carrying certain content if someone demands it to be published""



what about that NYT editorial the other day by Juong … is that not hate speech... should it be banned, the NTY fined... or is it a 1st amendment right...…


… careful how you answer
The New York Times, like any media establishment, makes a conscious decision for what content they publish onto their platform.

Random Joe off the street is not entitled to have whatever nonsense they want to spout published in the paper (because, again, the editors make that choice).

I don't even understand what argument you're trying to make. Do you want to try again???
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