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Old 08-09-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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trump turning right wingers into environmentalists? He is a miracle worker.
You can say that again. He can twist them like pretzels.

 
Old 08-09-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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By being FORCED to buy cheap junk from China that doesn't last and you have to keep buying the same product over and over again only to keep enriching a foreign country that's how.
Forced?

Cheap junk?

China and the entire world is quite capable of producing high quality goods if that’s what is specified by the brand placing the order. The thing about “ made to last” is that it is not conducive to repeat purchases.

“Planned obsolescence” was invented by US manufacturers. Nothing to do with where the product is made.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The liberal media elites are having a field day, HOWEVER China, Canada, and the EU all export FAR MORE to the US than we export to them, due precisely to the unfair trade agreements that were designed to benefit other countries in a quest for "global stability", to help THEIR economies not ours.
Or it could simply be that Americans like the products they make. Some people actually LIKE Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Volvo, Lexus, Acura, etc. and would buy one of those cars over a Chevrolet Malibu no matter what. A BMW 3 series has an MSRP that's more than twice the cost of a Malibu yet people continue to buy them anyway. It's not like a tariff is going to force that buyer into a cheaper American car with an inferior drivetrain, handling, interior design, etc.

On the flipside, other countries can say it's "unfair" that they buy tons of iPhones from the United States while the U.S. buys very few if any phones from China, Germany, Britain.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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We know he is rocking the boat on the trade issue. Yes, some industries will be affected negatively... others will be affected positively.

With the economy doing relatively well right now, he probably figures this is a good time to take this on since there is some overall cushion right now. In other words - it's not as though he is doing this during a recession.
Do you have any policy positions--apart from culture war issues--that are independent of Trump?

It seems you are willing to follow Trump wherever he goes. So if he is on one side of an issue today, you will be on the same side of that issue because he's a "wise leader" and you trust his judgment. If he's on the other side of the same issue tomorrow, you will flip sides because he is a "wise leader" and you trust his judgment.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The strategy is for them to remove the tariffs or bring the manufacturing back here. Why is it a must to produce things overseas?
Deloitte & Touché conducts periodic surveys of global CEOs in a variety of sectors. It last surveyed global manufacturing CEOs in late 2015. The survey concluded the US was positioned to reclaim the top spot in global manufacturing by 2020. Had nothing to do with who would be elected in 2016 and all to do with the enourmous pipeline/ backlog of custom industrial robotics being designed to compete with the cheapest sources of global labor.

Whomever was elected in 2016 would be well- positioned for 2020 because he/ she would take credit, if projections are realized- ignoring the positioning began long before the 2016 election.

Top dog status is based on the value of goods.

China is and will continue to be the world’s largest consumer of commercia/ corporate l aircraft. Boeing is the world’s largest manufacturer of commercial aircraft and has a huge pipeline for future orders from China.

Would imagine the folk at Airbus have the bubbly on ice, waiting for China to cut- off Boeing with tariffs.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Or it could simply be that Americans like the products they make. Some people actually LIKE Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Volvo, Lexus, Acura, etc. and would buy one of those cars over a Chevrolet Malibu no matter what. A BMW 3 series has an MSRP that's more than twice the cost of a Malibu yet people continue to buy them anyway. It's not like a tariff is going to force that buyer into a cheaper American car with an inferior drivetrain, handling, interior design, etc.

On the flipside, other countries can say it's "unfair" that they buy tons of iPhones from the United States while the U.S. buys very few if any phones from China, Germany, Britain.
Kelly Blue Book reports the average transaction for a new car purchased in the US is $35,400. Obviously, no shortage of people choose to buy high end cars. 17.2 million cars were sold in the US in 2017, a slight decline from 2016. US people prefer SUVs. The Toyota RAV4 sales were up 15.7%.

Nearly 100 years ago, Ford Motors opened its first offshore plant in Europe and did so to avoid tariffs and shipping costs and positioned them to better compete with European manufacturers. No shortage of foreign auto manufacturers do the same in the US. Toyota uses more made in the US parts than US auto manufacturers.

US and foreign auto manufacturers have been assembling cars in Mexico for 30 years and do so because Mexico maintains more free trade agreements with the rest of the world than any other country. Cheaper labor costs is the bonus.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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The consumers of China don't pay it because they just don't buy our product.
US businesses are not entitled to Chinese customers.
Again, it would be nice if China removed tariffs on US made products, but if they don't, its no reason to tax American consumers.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Forced?

Cheap junk?

China and the entire world is quite capable of producing high quality goods if that’s what is specified by the brand placing the order. The thing about “ made to last” is that it is not conducive to repeat purchases.

“Planned obsolescence” was invented by US manufacturers. Nothing to do with where the product is made.
My father worked in a factory for many decades for a major US company that made these types of things. Worked their way up from assembly line to running the place.

Let me present another viewpoint on the topic.

They started moving away from long lasting higher cost components etc. because the US consumers wanted CHEAP and NEW every so many years and didn't want to pay for higher quality.

You can blame the companies if you like but I know a lot of people in manufacturing and it didn't matter if it was hair clippers, lawn mowers or refrigerators....many US consumers buy solely on price and that put pressure on the companies to make things cheaper.

As further proof, I'm going to just say "Walmart". How did they bury the competition? With high quality service and top notch goods? Or is it the fact that many US shoppers just want cheap.
 
Old 08-09-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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So according to the MSM, none of this has actually happened.



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