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Old 08-08-2018, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ben Shapiro is not against the state. Shapiro, like every sane person, understands the existence of the state is necessary to protect our freedoms. Shapiro believes in keeping that states size to a minimum.

Shapiro is very intelligent and he’s excellent at debate. Cortez, or anyone would be an idiot to debate him. In debate, one can still win even if they are wrong. You just have to make the other person look more wrong. Shapiro is excellent at staying on the attack and whoever he is debating will constantly be on the defense.

I agree with some of Shapiro’s positions, but not all of them. Shapiro is conservative, not libertarian, not an anarchist, not whatever else.
At times Shapiro agrees with libertarian policies and he'll say so. Agree with you saying he wants minimal government.
However being for or against the state isn't all or nothing like you are implying. Or like the poster I responded to who incorrectly said "he just excuses the state no matter what." One can be against the state and not be an anarchist.

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Old 08-09-2018, 01:21 AM
 
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He is a lawyer, and debates issues for a living, of course he would come off better. The question is silly.

Christopher Hitchens would have destroyed Ben in a debate. Presenting ideas better doesn't mean they are automatically better. If I were Ben, I would have offered to sit down with her for a genuine exchange of ideas or a conversation rather than framing it as a debate to try to demonstrate idea supremacy.

Challenging a novice to compete in an activity that you spend every day of your entire life doing is pretty weak if you ask me.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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He is a lawyer, and debates issues for a living, of course he would come off better. The question is silly.

Christopher Hitchens would have destroyed Ben in a debate. Presenting ideas better doesn't mean they are automatically better. If I were Ben, I would have offered to sit down with her for a genuine exchange of ideas or a conversation rather than framing it as a debate to try to demonstrate idea supremacy.

Challenging a novice to compete in an activity that you spend every day of your entire life doing is pretty weak if you ask me.
If she’s a novice is she really fit for Congress ?
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He is a lawyer, and debates issues for a living, of course he would come off better. The question is silly.

Christopher Hitchens would have destroyed Ben in a debate. Presenting ideas better doesn't mean they are automatically better. If I were Ben, I would have offered to sit down with her for a genuine exchange of ideas or a conversation rather than framing it as a debate to try to demonstrate idea supremacy.

Challenging a novice to compete in an activity that you spend every day of your entire life doing is pretty weak if you ask me.
A Marxist is always going to loose an economic debate. Facts don't care about emotions.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:52 AM
 
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If she’s a novice is she really fit for Congress ?
Considering some of the people we have in office right now, I am not sure if anything disqualifies her.

I honestly don't know that much about her except she is a democratic socialist who didn't do well articulating her message in the two interviews I have seen. I don't live in NY and I am not a democratic socialist, so she isn't really of much interest to me.

I don't dislike Ben, I just think the challenge is bush league unless she attacked him or something. If she attacked him, I would change my mind and say she should put up or shut up.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:15 AM
 
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A Marxist is always going to loose an economic debate. Facts don't care about emotions.
Debates are about who makes the most compelling argument, a good debater can take any position in an argument have a shot of winning regardless of truth. Ben Shapiro could take the Marxist position in a debate and he would destroy you. At the end, he would probably tell you that facts don't care about your emotions just to rub it in for good measure
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Debates are about who makes the most compelling argument, a good debater can take any position in an argument have a shot of winning regardless of truth. Ben Shapiro could take the Marxist position in a debate and he would destroy you.
No he wouldn't. You just made that up because I made you look silly for posting rubbish

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At the end, he would probably tell you that facts don't care about your emotions just to rub it in for good measure
There are not facts behind Marxism working.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:26 AM
 
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I stated that the money flow is,

taxpayer ---> federal government ---> private healthcare corporation.

You seemed okay with that. If you are not okay with it, please correct it. How does the money flow in UHC in the majority of the cases?
I did. You must have ignored it. And that isn't really what you said.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:27 AM
 
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Here is the way he would respond and it is very close to the way I feel about it. He didn't rip on insurance companies nearly as much as I would have, but his basic reasons for supporting a competitive health care system are mine as well.


As for the bailout thing, I don't think that is any better.
Not where I can listen. Reply later.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:29 AM
 
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You also dont understand this thread isn't about Trump. It's about that stupid woman and her horrible policies.
I still find it incredibly sad that there are people who feel that seeing that everyone has affordable access to healthcare is a stupid policy. Most of the advanced world disagree's with you.
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