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Old 08-12-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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I totally believe they were expelled. You said they were expelled to ‘wander through the arid wastelands.’ That is, at best, hyperbole, and more likely, a bold-faced lie.
Look at the first photo down, captioned "......walking through the desert....." You think they were the only Jewish family the Arabs kicked out?

And besides, now we are stuck on how many of the 850,000 Jews the Arabs kicked out walked through the desert? Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Muslims STOLE THEIR LAND and left them homeless. Are you going to soft pedal the massive theft of Jewish property by Arabs so we can go back to the double standard applied to the Jews?

I say Israel gives back the land they won if and when the Arab countries and Iran pay reparations to the almost 1 million Jews from whom they stole land. Some Israelis now in their 60s, and still working, were teenagers when they were expelled from their property.

Time for the double standard to stop.

http://embassies.gov.il/san-francisc...rab-Lands.aspx
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I totally believe they were expelled. You said they were expelled to ‘wander through the arid wastelands.’ That is, at best, hyperbole, and more likely, a bold-faced lie.
This is probably a fair summary (wiki).
The reasons for the exodus included push factors, such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability, poverty and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better economic status and a secure home in Europe or the Americas [including Israel]. The history of the exodus has been politicized, given its proposed relevance to the historical narrative of the Arab–Israeli conflict. When presenting the history, those who view the Jewish exodus as analogous to the 1948 Palestinian exodus generally emphasize the push factors and consider those who left as refugees, while those who do not, emphasize the pull factors and consider them willing immigrants.

The degree of "choice" in the Jewish exodus probably varied by country and time period. Whether or not property could be sold also seems to have been variable. The movements were in waves over a period of time, even from any one country. Too, their immigration was to the advantage of Israel and the movements were often encouraged by Israeli agents, with conditions in Israel not always what was "promised."

Regardless, the Jewish population had a receiving country (and a citizenship) where the Palestinians did not. Too, most Palestinians left to escape fighting thinking it would be temporary where the Jewish movements were more planned. In some cases, elderly Jews chose to remain behind and these small communities lasted for decades before finally dying out.

Offhand, the only Jews dying in the desert that I'm aware of were some Yemenis, with the trek organizers (Israelis, American Jews) held to blame.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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Look at the first photo down, captioned "......walking through the desert....." You think they were the only Jewish family the Arabs kicked out?

And besides, now we are stuck on how many of the 850,000 Jews the Arabs kicked out walked through the desert? Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Muslims STOLE THEIR LAND and left them homeless. Are you going to soft pedal the massive theft of Jewish property by Arabs so we can go back to the double standard applied to the Jews?

I say Israel gives back the land they won if and when the Arab countries and Iran pay reparations to the almost 1 million Jews from whom they stole land. Some Israelis now in their 60s, and still working, were teenagers when they were expelled from their property.

Time for the double standard to stop.

http://embassies.gov.il/san-francisc...rab-Lands.aspx
The problem is that most Jews in Israel don't belong there. They're settlers from Europe. And they created their Israel by ethnically cleansing the land. This is a fact.

Some of the Jews do belong in Israel, unfortunately they're going to be targeted in this tribal conflict between Jews vs Arabs.

But in this case, the Jews started it. You cannot deny it. Just because Germans commit a genocide doesn't mean Arabs have to leave their homes for an experiment.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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Recognition of Palestine is not all that uncommon. 138 of the 193 nation members of the UN recognize it. This amounts to a majority of countries around the world. It is not some extremely unusual situation such as nations recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel having their embassy in the city.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Recognition of Palestine is not all that uncommon. 138 of the 193 nation members of the UN recognize it. This amounts to a majority of countries around the world. It is not some extremely unusual situation such as nations recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel having their embassy in the city.
... Particularly when the Israelis won't give the Palestinians living in East Jerusalem an Israeli citizenship.

This (moving the US embassy to Jerusalem) at the same that time Kushner is supposed to be resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

How terribly helpful to bring the interests of a third religious movement (Christianity) to the conflict.

"God decided Jerusalem was the capital of Israel more than 3,000 years ago during the time of King David," I was told by Dallas evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress, who cited Biblical history. He and another leading voice in the pro-Israel part of the Christian world delivered prayers at the opening ceremony."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44120428
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:12 PM
 
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The problem is that most Jews in Israel don't belong there. They're settlers from Europe. And they created their Israel by ethnically cleansing the land. This is a fact.

Some of the Jews do belong in Israel, unfortunately they're going to be targeted in this tribal conflict between Jews vs Arabs.

But in this case, the Jews started it. You cannot deny it. Just because Germans commit a genocide doesn't mean Arabs have to leave their homes for an experiment.
So, people who legally immigrate to a country and become citizens dont really “belong there”?
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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So, people who legally immigrate to a country and become citizens dont really “belong there”?
Legally according to whom? When it was a British colony? Or when the land was already illegally (under international law) occupied?

Where do we want to take this legalese to?
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Look at the first photo down, captioned "......walking through the desert....." You think they were the only Jewish family the Arabs kicked out?
The one where the caption clearly states they are headed to a specific camp? That’s not wandering. Your ridiculous statement was that they were sent off to wander through the arid wasteland. Walking to a destination is a little different.

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And besides, now we are stuck on how many of the 850,000 Jews the Arabs kicked out walked through the desert?
You’re the one who seems stuck on it. I’m pointing out the statement about being sent to wander through the arid wasteland was hyperbole, and I’m further saying now it was blatantly designed by you to elicit sympathy.
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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Legally according to whom? When it was a British colony? Or when the land was already illegally (under international law) occupied?

Where do we want to take this legalese to?
Are you suggesting that all of Israel is disputed territory under international law? As far as I know, Israel is an internationally recognized country with it’s own immigration laws. Who are you to tell them that European immigrants, who are legal citizens, don’t belong there?
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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The one where the caption clearly states they are headed to a specific camp? That’s not wandering. Your ridiculous statement was that they were sent off to wander through the arid wasteland. Walking to a destination is a little different.



You’re the one who seems stuck on it. I’m pointing out the statement about being sent to wander through the arid wasteland was hyperbole, and I’m further saying now it was blatantly designed by you to elicit sympathy.
Stop the focus in the minutiae in order to deflect from the fact that Arabs expelled nearly 1 million Jews from their homes, STEALING THEIR LAND, PROPERTY, AND MONEY.

Seems like you are doing everything in your power to refrain from expressing sympathy for displaced Jews, who have had much much worse done to them than the Arabs for whom you DO express sympathy. The real,question is, why is so much sympathy given to Arabs and none given to Jews, who have suffered so much worse under their hand?

And I'm not doing it to elicit sympathy. (The majority of Americans do sympathize with Israel.) I am doing it to show the double standard.....that Israel-haters condemn Jews for occupying the LAND THEY WON WHEN ARABS ATTACKED THEM, and yet are unable to condemn Arabs for expelling Jews from their land and stealing their property.

I want to know why there is such a double standard.
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