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Old 08-09-2018, 08:37 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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One of the basic functions of early grade school education is to teach people how to be good citizens. This school is a failure.
How about readin', writin', and 'rithmitic?
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:46 PM
 
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NK makes their people worship their flag while outward displays of nationalism are considered weird and a faux Las in a countryike Germany except maybe during the World Cup. Who'd you rather be like, Germany or NK?
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Um, OK.

Just curious, how often do you sing the anthem or recite the pledge? If you only do it at sports events, you’ve got no room to talk.
I do it every day, I'm a servicemember.

Thanks for your concern. How often do you do it?

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The Pledge iisn't patriotism; it's propaganda.
By that logic the national anthem is also propaganda.

Wow, America must be a modern Nazi Germany.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We're not talking about religious sects for whom not doing it has been long established. You know that so stop with the deflecting. We're talking about the BLM, Antifa, and various far left types that hate anything and everything to do with the US.



Speaking just to the NFL folks, these are pampered millionaires who are amongst the most privileged people in our society, and we're supposed to feel sorry for them because they're being pressured to demonstrate some respect for the flag and the country while on the job? They can protest on their own time, not while at work.



There is a time and place for everything, and the time for protesting is not during the national anthem.
BLM is not anti-American since they are simply against having police officers who we should trust that are shooting unarmed black men and killing them.
If this were happening in the white community there would be a "White Lives Matter" movement too or probably a Congressional hearing or two.

Stop with the fake outrage.

As for the national anthem? Most Americans don't even know the words including this man :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6N7veEooWM
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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Wow, its sad how many folks are starting to hate simple patriotism.
Honestly, who cares. We had to recite it everyday. It was just another thing kids had to memorize which meant nothing to them. And it has nothing to do with patriotism. It's just something kids don't think about.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I do it every day, I'm a servicemember.

Thanks for your concern. How often do you do it?
I’m glad to hear you’re not a hypocrite.

I do neither very often. But then I feel the same way about them as I feel about public prayer. Saying them en masse is more about a group ritual than it is about the actual content.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:52 PM
 
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The Pledge iisn't patriotism; it's propaganda.
Not to patriots.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:26 PM
 
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By that logic the national anthem is also propaganda.

Wow, America must be a modern Nazi Germany.
Of course, the national anthem is propaganda, but it's patriotic propaganda. The Pledge is subversive propaganda. The notion that states that are being exploited and oppressed can't secede is morally and historically indefensible.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ool/947378002/

Wow, its sad how many folks are starting to hate simple patriotism.

The Pledge of Allegiance is irrelevant, and reciting it, especially when forced, coerced or intimidated into doing so, is not proof of patriotism.


Note that the US Army has never cited the Pledge of Allegiance at any time ever for any function, but you wouldn't call the US Army unpatriotic.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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A friend I went to high school with (now over a decade in with the military) reminded me that even in my rural, exceedingly conservative, north Georgia high school, we stopped saying the pledge in high school. That was around 15 years ago.

It's always bothered me that we start teaching kids to say the pledge in kindergarten when few - if any - are familiar with what a "pledge" or "allegiance" are. Where I come from, those are serious words. Encouraging kids to say it without a full understanding of what they're saying cheapens the whole thing.

Treat it like a bar or bat mitzvah - after an intense period of studying the Constitution, US history, and government, the first time a person says the pledge should be a demonstration of study, understanding, and commitment as well as a cause for celebration.

As it stands now, the pledge of allegiance is utterly meaningless. We made it that way.
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