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Old 08-10-2018, 04:33 AM
 
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But the approval of the communiqué — renamed for the meeting as a declaration — was critical for the alliance. It ensured that, despite Mr. Trump’s rhetorical fireworks, NATO diplomats could push through initiatives, including critical Pentagon priorities to improve allied defenses against Russia.


“The president’s national security team did a good job of salvaging a minimally successful outcome to the NATO summit,” said James G. Stavridis, a retired four-star admiral who also once served as the supreme allied commander for Europe.
But, he added, it is unfortunate that the president’s apparent personal animus continues to create friction in an alliance that has stood the test of time.”
Jamie Shea, a NATO deputy assistant secretary general, called the declaration “the most substantive” agreement that the alliance had put out in years. But its success, according to the American and European officials, lies in the feverish work before the summit meeting to keep it away from Mr. Trump.
U.S. Officials Scrambled Behind the Scenes to Shield NATO Deal From Trump


I am really surprised that they had enough sense, to keep that IGNORANT A** in the dark, and acted behind his back! However, knowing that President MORON is "UNFIT TO SERVE", and guilty of "ABUSE OF POWER"...….why the hell haven't they removed this A** from office????????


I would be relieved to see them take much, much, much, more action against his INSANITY!
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Countries and organisations will just by-pass Trump as much as possible andvthis is merely one example.

In terms of NATO, the European Allies have been increasing defence spending although the 2% GDP is merely guidance and is in relation to 2024.

The US does not spend a massive amount of money in relation to Europe, indeed it amounts to around 5% of the US Defence Budget and around 5% of active military personnel.

Trump just likes to use all this freeloader nonsense to deflect from the real problems which are the $1.5 Trillion tax cuts, at a time when the US Budget deficit is about to reach the $1 trillion mark.

This is the real news, which Trump tries to hide by constantly bullying and blaming others.

Trump hails 'largest tax cut' in US history - BBC News

US annual budget deficit forecast to hit $1 trillion - BBC News

As for the US Economy and Stock Market it's buoyed by tax cuts and share buybacks, which are basically legal fraud.

The Ugly Truth Behind Stock Buybacks - Forbes



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Old 08-10-2018, 05:07 AM
 
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The purpose of NATO is to insure what occurred during WW2 does not happen again, pick a fight with one country and you pick a fight with them all. The most critical part of this agreement is that nations spend X amount dollars on military spending so they can help defend themselves or come to the aid of other countries under attack. If you are not meeting those obligations the burden of your obligations falls onto other countries, in this case primarily the US.


What exactly is the problem with expecting these nations to meet their obligations set in this treaty?
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:15 AM
 
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The US does not spend a massive amount of money in relation to Europe, indeed it amounts to around 5% of the US Defence Budget and around 5% of active military personnel.


How much does the EU spend in the US on defense? $0? 5% is not much less than Germany's entire defense budget.


Furthermore how much is being spent in Europe is not the purpose of this alliance, if for example the US was attacked by China then European countries would be able to come to our aid.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:19 AM
 
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Countries and organisations will just by-pass Trump as much as possible andvthis is merely one example.

In terms of NATO, the European Allies have been increasing defence spending although the 2% GDP is merely guidance and is in relation to 2024.

The US does not spend a massive amount of money in relation to Europe, indeed it amounts to around 5% of the US Defence Budget and around 5% of active military personnel.

Trump just likes to use all this freeloader nonsense to deflect from the real problems which are the $1.5 Trillion tax cuts, at a time when the US Budget deficit is about to reach the $1 trillion mark.

This is the real news, which Trump tries to hide by constantly bullying and blaming others.

Trump hails 'largest tax cut' in US history - BBC News

US annual budget deficit forecast to hit $1 trillion - BBC News

As for the US Economy and Stock Market it's buoyed by tax cuts and share buybacks, which are basically legal fraud.

The Ugly Truth Behind Stock Buybacks - Forbes





EXACTLY~ Largest Deficit in American history, and largest Spending Bill in American History!No surprise from a for crap~ FAILED Businessman!
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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How much does the EU spend in the US on defense? $0?


5% is not much less than Germany's entire defense budget.
The US would not let a foreign power open a military base in the US, so of course there are no European bases in the US.

However the UK maintains a large training facility in Canada and patrols the Caribbean in order to help stop drug smuggling.

Canada | The British Army

British Army Training Unit Suffield - Wikipedia

Don't want bases in Europe then there's nothing stopping you from leaving, we are not forcing you to keep bases in Europe.

In a recent poll the Germans actually wanted you out of their country and the Italians aren't much more enthusastic.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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The purpose of NATO is to insure what occurred during WW2 does not happen again, pick a fight with one country and you pick a fight with them all. The most critical part of this agreement is that nations spend X amount dollars on military spending so they can help defend themselves or come to the aid of other countries under attack. If you are not meeting those obligations the burden of your obligations falls onto other countries, in this case primarily the US.


What exactly is the problem with expecting these nations to meet their obligations set in this treaty?
There is no agreement that each nation spend X amount of dollars and never has been.

Even the 2% was just a guideline mentioned in 2014, and to be worked towards by 2024, it is not legally binding or some part of NATO membership or some obligation.

Defence spending is set by each countries Government and not the US President.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:29 AM
 
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The US would not let a foreign power open a military base in the US, so of course there are no European bases in the US.

However the UK maintains a large training facility in Canada and patrols the Caribbean in order to help stop drug smuggling.

Canada | The British Army

British Army Training Unit Suffield - Wikipedia

Don't want bases in Europe then there's nothing stopping you from leaving, we are not forcing you to keep bases in Europe.

In a recent poll the Germans actually wanted you out of their country and the Italians aren't much more enthusastic.

The US can defend it's own interests, can Germany or Italy?
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:37 AM
 
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The US can defend it's own interests, can Germany or Italy?
Italy was never exactly the frontline when it came to the cold war, indeed it was only after the Cold War that the US started to transfer many military units and functions to Italy.

This wasn't in order to defend Italy it was so the US could support US Operations in the mediterranean, North Africa, Middle East and beyond.

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And what are all these bases doing in Italy? Here's the way one US military official in Italy (who asked not to be named) explained the matter to me:
I'm sorry, Italy, but this is not the cold war. They're not here to defend Vicenza from a [Soviet] attack. They're here because we agreed they need to be here to do other things, whether that's the Middle East or the Balkans or Africa.

Italy: home of pizza, pasta, wine and the US military | Guardian

In terms of Germany, it has already been discussing plans for Post-Atlanticism, and most Germans polled would like to see US Forces leave and only 37% of Germans now believe that Europe depends on the U.S. military for it's defence.

Almost half of Germans want US army to leave the country

The US has never wanted Europe to deveop an alternative to NATO however Europe has now developed a seperate command structure and is creating new defence pacts.

Permanent Structured Cooperation - Wikipedia

Germany's Foreign Minister Calls for 'A Real European Security and Defence Union - Atlantic Council

Fearing U.S. Withdrawal, Europe Considers Its Own Nuclear Deterrent - New York Times

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Old 08-10-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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EXACTLY~ Largest Deficit in American history, and largest Spending Bill in American History!No surprise from a for crap~ FAILED Businessman!


Trump merely likes to pick on others and blame them for all Americas faults whe in reality much of the damage to the US is beng done by Trump and his ilk.

Sensible countries try and reduce deficits rather than just give tax cuts to the wealthy.

Whilst Trump goes on and on about NATO and too much US spending on the one hand, on the other hand he talks about creating a massively expensive space force as well as dubious infrastructure projects.

Space Force: Trump 2020 asks supporters to vote on logo - BBC News

'Mars awaits': Trump supporters to vote on logo for space force - Guardian

De-regulation and dismantling safety regulations are in Trump's nature in order that the rich can make a quick return, and in reality what you have now is the real swamp.

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