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Old 08-12-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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Why can't they even mention that the drug war is the sole cause of 2018's gang violence ?




That is the irritating part, no discussion about the cause.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why can't they even mention that the drug war is the sole cause of 2018's gang violence ?
That is the irritating part, no discussion about the cause.
Most major cities were having gang wars long before illegal drugs became a problem.

As usual, the problem is neither the substances nor the guns. It's the people pulling the triggers.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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Most major cities were having gang wars long before illegal drugs became a problem.

As usual, the problem is neither the substances nor the guns. It's the people pulling the triggers.
It's a result of economic issues.

Booze, drugs, etc are just a symptom. When a good is outside the law, it's perfect for them to profit from.

Regardless, the war on drugs has cost this country trillions with the real cost never being known.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Whats really strange and interesting, with alcohol prohibition, it didnt take long at all for them to realize it wasnt working, and it was stopped...but the war on drugs, it fails miserably year after year, but they just keep doing the same thing, they cannot come to the realization that it needs to end.

I dont understand how they could see this with alcohol prohibition and not with drugs?

Im also wondering why the American people continue to allow this drug war to continue? We have the right and the duty to shut this down, if people would just band together and inform LE that drug arrests and investigations will no longer be permitted, there is nothing they could do about it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Whats really strange and interesting, with alcohol prohibition, it didnt take long at all for them to realize it wasnt working, and it was stopped...but the war on drugs, it fails miserably year after year, but they just keep doing the same thing, they cannot come to the realization that it needs to end.
That's because any lawmakers who got together and built up a campaign to persuade Congress etc. that drug laws were creating far more problems than they are solving (a true statement) would be attacked, maligned, lied about, and professionally destroyed by the media and other politicians paid by the cartels. After which they would all lose their jobs and be unable to mount campaigns to do anything. Plus they'd have sh!tloads of p!ssed-off drug traffickers after them and their families, people who have direct ways of solving problems.

If the media would mount the campaign to persuade people we were better off without the drug laws, there might be a chance that would work. But it ain't gonna happen. Why not? Go ask the media.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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It's a result of economic issues.
It's a result of having a lack of self-worth. They don't care about themselves or their communities.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Whats really strange and interesting, with alcohol prohibition, it didnt take long at all for them to realize it wasnt working, and it was stopped...but the war on drugs, it fails miserably year after year, but they just keep doing the same thing, they cannot come to the realization that it needs to end.

I dont understand how they could see this with alcohol prohibition and not with drugs?

Im also wondering why the American people continue to allow this drug war to continue? We have the right and the duty to shut this down, if people would just band together and inform LE that drug arrests and investigations will no longer be permitted, there is nothing they could do about it.

Who knows.



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Old 08-12-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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That's because any lawmakers who got together and built up a campaign to persuade Congress etc. that drug laws were creating far more problems than they are solving (a true statement) would be attacked, maligned, lied about, and professionally destroyed by the media and other politicians paid by the cartels. After which they would all lose their jobs and be unable to mount campaigns to do anything. Plus they'd have sh!tloads of p!ssed-off drug traffickers after them and their families, people who have direct ways of solving problems.

If the media would mount the campaign to persuade people we were better off without the drug laws, there might be a chance that would work. But it ain't gonna happen. Why not? Go ask the media.
The drug cartels are much more powerful and influential than most people think they are.

Law enforcement is a big reason why no one will step up and call for an end to the drug war, What would city and state police do if there were no more drug laws...would other crime be enough to justify their current budgets, staffing, needs, etc? Drug crime and drug related crime account for about 60% of total crime in my area, so...Not likely!
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Old 08-12-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Most major cities were having gang wars long before illegal drugs became a problem.

As usual, the problem is neither the substances nor the guns. It's the people pulling the triggers.
Pulling the trigger is a personal CHOICE.

Yet there’s no shortage of people who CHOOSE to blame politicians, LE, political ideologies, drug laws, guns, generational poverty, institutional racism, lousy schools, lack of opportunity, hot weather and so on.

As it relates to Chicago, many of the shootings are triggered by personal disputes that occur on social medi, being disrespected and challenges. Should social media be banned?
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Old 08-12-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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Whats really strange and interesting, with alcohol prohibition, it didnt take long at all for them to realize it wasnt working, and it was stopped...but the war on drugs, it fails miserably year after year, but they just keep doing the same thing, they cannot come to the realization that it needs to end.

I dont understand how they could see this with alcohol prohibition and not with drugs?

Im also wondering why the American people continue to allow this drug war to continue? We have the right and the duty to shut this down, if people would just band together and inform LE that drug arrests and investigations will no longer be permitted, there is nothing they could do about it.
Well, what drugs do you want legalized? Marijuana is one thing, but what about heroin, or cocaine or meth? Those are incredibly destructive drugs, and I’m not sure I want that to be legalized since legalization adds some social acceptability to it.
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